What we’re reading: AF447 flew well beyond radar range, unlikely all US big airlines will survive, play scavenger hunt from the air

by Stephanus Surjaputra on June 3, 2009

Air France jet flew well beyond radar range — scores of other oceanic flights do the same

Air France 447 was flying in a region outside of radar range although not out of voice contact. Many commercial flights make this trek every day.

Air traffic controllers lost contact with the jet just as it was entering a band of violent thunderstorms and heavy turbulence that stretched along the equator.

Since thunderstorms can tower to altitudes of more than 60,000 feet, where passenger planes cannot climb over them, pilots will often weave left and right to find a route that avoids the worst of the weather.

Some analysts have speculated that the pilot may have been trying to return to Fernando de Noronha, about 220 miles off Brazil’s northeastern coast, when disaster struck.

Branson: Unlikely all big U.S. airlines will survive

Richard Branson, founder and president of Virgin Atlantic Airways says in an interview that “he believes it is unlikely that all big U.S. airlines will survive the next 12 to 18 months.”

“I don’t think that the American government will yet again put more billions into the airline industry. They’ve learned their lessons from the car industry,” Branson told Reuters in an interview in Tokyo.

“I just happen to believe it is unlikely that all the big American carriers will survive the next 12 to 18 months,” he said, adding that at least two airline companies are vulnerable.

He never said which two are vulnerable.

Virgin America and Google team up for “a day in the cloud” scavenger hunt

Virgin American and Google are teaming up for “an online puzzle challenge that can be played on the ground and in the air. ”

Their “day in the cloud” is scheduled for June 24th and will let players on the ground compete with people flying with Virgin America. For this event, access to the Gogo Inflight WiFi service will be free.

Prizes include free flights on Virgin America, HP Netbook computers and a 1TB of “Google account storage” for email and photos.

If you want to participate, go to the website and register.

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  • The man who notices things

    Hate to say it but AF447 is pilot error – they never should have flown through thunderstorms – you go around them – or – in the moonlight you pick your way through them by going over and around them. . . . Was there a 200mi wide swath of storms this night? Yep – could they have gone around? Yep. Did they? Apparently not. Midair break up appears likely.

  • Matthew B

    I agree with Sir Richard Branson the US government should not put another dime into the airlines. If any US airline gets into trouble it is trouble of their own making and they should be allowed to go into liquidation. Most US airlines carry what can be generously described as imprudent levels of debt (I would venture to say reckless), when compared with their international competitors. These levels of debt make them very vulnerable to increases in interest rates and falling revenue levels. Carrying such levels of debt is a management/board decision and that risk should not be passed on to the taxpayers. There are at least seven airlines with national coverage, if any were to disappear, there are plenty of options for travelers, and many large regional airlines with ambitions to be national airlines. We as taxpayers are already on the hook for the pension plans, so let’s not get in any further. Capitalism without bankruptcy and liquidation is like Christianity without hell.

  • Bill

    Maybe it is all a conspiricy and in a few years, we’ll see Obama Motors, Obama Air – and even “Obama Mart”.

    On a more serious note, it looks like the auto makers are going to have to change their business models to one that is sustainable and it is unfortunate that the airlines were not forced to do the same. Maybe they should have market pricing, but make it illegal to purposefully lose money on a route. They have a cost per mile for each aircraft and on each route. Factor in average load facor and an overhead cost – I know they have “made” airline pricing very complex, but their yield management software sucks. I would buy a business class seat to Europe if it didn’t cost several times (often up to 14 times as much) as it would cost in economy.

    Business people should not be penalized for having to fly at the last minute. Can you imagine if a restaurant charged business travellers 5 times as much because they can’t eat at home, but someone who had the option to pack a lunch were charged only 20% of the price for the same meal?

    They need to get real.

  • ulbhpy

    Bill, The trouble started while Bush was president. Bush admin bailed out AIG, GM, took over WaMu and handed it to Chase. Please note that I am not blaming Bush, but current president is piloting this ship in stormy waters. So it is clearly not a conspiracy from current president.

    Your last paragraph is clearly what deregulation brought about. Think of car dealers, they suck blood of innocent folks not able to negotiate. You can buy the same car 5 to 10k more/less depending on your skills.

  • Bill

    ULBHPY, it might hae even started long before Bush. Generally, people like things deregulated, but only when the people running deregulated entities do it with a modicum of common sense.

    The hotels fiddle with rates and yield management all the time, but somehow most of them seem to make a profit. The airlines – do not.

    You know, I don’t even like flying anymore. I like being in exciting places, but the actual trip, there just isn’t any enticement to it at all.

    And it isn’t just the airlines. I go into Denver airport, have a hamburger (not a very cheap one at that), and the bun is so stale that it is falling apart. I didn’t even want a refund, all I wanted was for them to get rid of the stale buns so that the other customers wouldn’t have a bad experience. The manager couldn’t have cared less.

    The airport doesn’t seem to have much ability to have feedback on poor vendors – and their smoking room seems to leak. I’m actually thinking of going out of my way to avoid Denver. Which probably means avoiding United.

    And that’s the story of how an obnoxious manager (manageress in her case) can influence the money an airline takes in.

    Loyalty is rewarded so poorly that something like this can actually be a point to make a decision about.

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