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		<title>By: vista home security 2012 virus</title>
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		<dc:creator>vista home security 2012 virus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jan 2012 07:42:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for your article! It&#039;s very helpful for me!  I will not travel with my laptop:)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for your article! It&#8217;s very helpful for me!  I will not travel with my laptop:)</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Jan 2012 14:25:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Couple of key points to be made here I think.  I signed an agreement as part of my employment that I would not disclose the passwords to my system or allow anyone outside of the company access to corporate data.  There is no language in this agreement that states &quot;except in the case CBP or the authorities request it&quot;.  My laptop is a company computer that contains ONLY company work and data on it.  I do zero personal work on it - I don&#039;t surf the net, look at my personal emails, etc. as I have another laptop for that at home - so there is nothing on the computer of a personal nature that would be of interest to the CBP.   The company has installed encryption software that encrypts all non system files.  The password to this that I have established is a random password that is 10 digits long and includes letters, numbers and control characters.   While the government may be able to crack this it won&#039;t likley be easy.   If asked by CBP to provide the password I will say no and explain why (1) I have a signed employment agreement that makes it a condition of my employment that I not provide the password to ANYONE and (2) that my company engages in confidential work for the Feds and they do not have the appropriate security clearance to view the contents of my laptop.  If they confiscate the laptop then I&#039;ll require a document explaining this that also provides contact information so my company and their legal team can deal with it.  I&#039;m pretty sure my company would immediately file an injunction.   My company provides security technology for the Federal government (DoD, NSA, CIA, and FBI).   For obvious reasons I can&#039;t allow CBP to look at or copy my hard drive - they simply don&#039;t have the appropriate clearance level.    As far as my mobile phone is concerned - it also has a 10 digit random password.  More to the point however, I remove the SIM chip and simply place it in my bra strap.  The phone can easily be wiped with a few clicks but I don&#039;t think they&#039;ll be able to recover much of anything without the SIM chip. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Couple of key points to be made here I think.  I signed an agreement as part of my employment that I would not disclose the passwords to my system or allow anyone outside of the company access to corporate data.  There is no language in this agreement that states &#8221;except in the case CBP or the authorities request it&#8221;.  My laptop is a company computer that contains ONLY company work and data on it.  I do zero personal work on it &#8211; I don&#8217;t surf the net, look at my personal emails, etc. as I have another laptop for that at home &#8211; so there is nothing on the computer of a personal nature that would be of interest to the CBP.   The company has installed encryption software that encrypts all non system files.  The password to this that I have established is a random password that is 10 digits long and includes letters, numbers and control characters.   While the government may be able to crack this it won&#8217;t likley be easy.   If asked by CBP to provide the password I will say no and explain why (1) I have a signed employment agreement that makes it a condition of my employment that I not provide the password to ANYONE and (2) that my company engages in confidential work for the Feds and they do not have the appropriate security clearance to view the contents of my laptop.  If they confiscate the laptop then I&#8217;ll require a document explaining this that also provides contact information so my company and their legal team can deal with it.  I&#8217;m pretty sure my company would immediately file an injunction.   My company provides security technology for the Federal government (DoD, NSA, CIA, and FBI).   For obvious reasons I can&#8217;t allow CBP to look at or copy my hard drive &#8211; they simply don&#8217;t have the appropriate clearance level.    As far as my mobile phone is concerned &#8211; it also has a 10 digit random password.  More to the point however, I remove the SIM chip and simply place it in my bra strap.  The phone can easily be wiped with a few clicks but I don&#8217;t think they&#8217;ll be able to recover much of anything without the SIM chip.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Nov 2011 14:48:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is quite sensitive. Thanks for sharing this waring, I will take care in the future travel.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is quite sensitive. Thanks for sharing this waring, I will take care in the future travel.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Oct 2011 09:13:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>is that real??

that&#039;s so terrible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>is that real??</p>
<p>that&#8217;s so terrible.</p>
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		<title>By: What to bring, Packing for the US &#124; Blog</title>
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		<dc:creator>What to bring, Packing for the US &#124; Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Oct 2011 21:41:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] TSA workers, ouch. Also your laptop may be subjected to search and possibly confiscated by customs http://www.consumertraveler.com/today/warning-us-customs-and-border-protection-may-confiscate-your-l... even though the chances are low, it is not bad to be [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] TSA workers, ouch. Also your laptop may be subjected to search and possibly confiscated by customs <a href="http://www.consumertraveler.com/today/warning-us-customs-and-border-protection-may-confiscate-your-l.." rel="nofollow">http://www.consumertraveler.com/today/warning-us-customs-and-border-protection-may-confiscate-your-l..</a>. even though the chances are low, it is not bad to be [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Darren Chaker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Darren Chaker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Sep 2009 01:28:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As technology evolves, so to does government interest. It use to be top secret papers would need to be copied and given to a KGB handler, to get back to Moscow, now, mini-SD chips fit 8+ GB, which can hold thousands of pages of documents. 

American&#039;s have the Fourth Amendment as a shield to protect them from unreasonable searches and seizures. The Fourth Amendment has evolved with technology. See, United States v. Blas, 1990 WL 265179, at *21 (E.D. Wis. Dec. 4, 1990) (”[A]n individual has the same expectation of privacy in a pager, computer, or other electronic data storage and retrieval device as in a closed container.”). However, the Fourth Amendment ceases when you want to enter back into the USA. Every body cavity and computer is open to inspection with little more than reasonable cause. A true border search can be made without probable cause, without a warrant, and, indeed, without any articulatable suspicion at all. The only limitation on such a search is the Fourth Amendment stricture that it be conducted reasonably. Note that the reasonableness calculus is different at the border (i.e., looser) than it is inland.

Despite such, when entering the USA, and, for the purposes of this post, a person has the Fifth Amendment as a shield. In a recent decision in Vermont, In re Boucher, a federal magistrate judge held that the Fifth Amendment right against compelled self-incrimination protects a suspect against having to reveal the password permitting access to his computer files. The software the defendant used, and which I recommend, besides using file wiping software in conjunction with other  counter-forensic  measures, is PGP whole disk encryption. Nothing has broken this encryption. The court determined that if Boucher was &quot;forced&quot; to provide the passphrase, then the contents could incriminate Boucher thus violate the Fifth Amendment. You can find the court&#039;s opinion here: http://www.volokh.com/files/Boucher.pdf

The end result, if you have material on a computer you do not want inspected, encrypt it. If the government can get a warrant to place spy ware on your computer while &#039;inspecting it&#039; to reveal your pass phrase, then encrypt the file on a thumb drive. Of course, if your &#039;vacation&#039; included taking pictures, then transfer those pix to an encrypted drive and insure the SD card from the camera is securely wiped. 

In short, for every measure to obtain information, there&#039;s a counter-measure. However, if you are doing something while outside of the USA which can attract the Feds, I recommend---DON&#039;T DO IT. Freedom is not free, but stupidity will put the most intelligent in prison. 

Darren D. Chaker</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As technology evolves, so to does government interest. It use to be top secret papers would need to be copied and given to a KGB handler, to get back to Moscow, now, mini-SD chips fit 8+ GB, which can hold thousands of pages of documents. </p>
<p>American&#8217;s have the Fourth Amendment as a shield to protect them from unreasonable searches and seizures. The Fourth Amendment has evolved with technology. See, United States v. Blas, 1990 WL 265179, at *21 (E.D. Wis. Dec. 4, 1990) (”[A]n individual has the same expectation of privacy in a pager, computer, or other electronic data storage and retrieval device as in a closed container.”). However, the Fourth Amendment ceases when you want to enter back into the USA. Every body cavity and computer is open to inspection with little more than reasonable cause. A true border search can be made without probable cause, without a warrant, and, indeed, without any articulatable suspicion at all. The only limitation on such a search is the Fourth Amendment stricture that it be conducted reasonably. Note that the reasonableness calculus is different at the border (i.e., looser) than it is inland.</p>
<p>Despite such, when entering the USA, and, for the purposes of this post, a person has the Fifth Amendment as a shield. In a recent decision in Vermont, In re Boucher, a federal magistrate judge held that the Fifth Amendment right against compelled self-incrimination protects a suspect against having to reveal the password permitting access to his computer files. The software the defendant used, and which I recommend, besides using file wiping software in conjunction with other  counter-forensic  measures, is PGP whole disk encryption. Nothing has broken this encryption. The court determined that if Boucher was &#8220;forced&#8221; to provide the passphrase, then the contents could incriminate Boucher thus violate the Fifth Amendment. You can find the court&#8217;s opinion here: <a href="http://www.volokh.com/files/Boucher.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.volokh.com/files/Boucher.pdf</a></p>
<p>The end result, if you have material on a computer you do not want inspected, encrypt it. If the government can get a warrant to place spy ware on your computer while &#8216;inspecting it&#8217; to reveal your pass phrase, then encrypt the file on a thumb drive. Of course, if your &#8216;vacation&#8217; included taking pictures, then transfer those pix to an encrypted drive and insure the SD card from the camera is securely wiped. </p>
<p>In short, for every measure to obtain information, there&#8217;s a counter-measure. However, if you are doing something while outside of the USA which can attract the Feds, I recommend&#8212;DON&#8217;T DO IT. Freedom is not free, but stupidity will put the most intelligent in prison. </p>
<p>Darren D. Chaker</p>
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		<title>By: Customs and Border Patrol agents are still randomly confiscating laptops</title>
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		<dc:creator>Customs and Border Patrol agents are still randomly confiscating laptops</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Aug 2009 09:46:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] summer I wrote about the Customs and Border Patrol’s (CBP) program to randomly search and seize laptops, digital cameras, cellphones and other electronic devices at the border, without warrants, [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Aug 2009 00:05:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] and Other Violations of Privacy Faced By Americans Returning from Overseas Travel - CBP.gov Warning: US Customs and Border Protection may confiscate your laptop and PDA   [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] and Other Violations of Privacy Faced By Americans Returning from Overseas Travel &#8211; CBP.gov Warning: US Customs and Border Protection may confiscate your laptop and PDA   [...]</p>
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		<title>By: vasquez</title>
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		<dc:creator>vasquez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Aug 2009 12:50:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Random  seizing electronic devices for potentially dangerous or illegal content is just ridiculous and completely Stone Age approach. There are virtually hundreds of convenient and secure ways to pass any data to any country via Internet. I really doubt that criminals traveling with their secrets stored on their laptops. 

The REAL reason for seizing all that equipment is: US Customs found easy and cheap way to replace their old laptops with new ones. You know... recession ;-)

Have even better idea for US Government, why not random seize cars on Canadian and Mexican borders? There is possibility that someone can hide tiny SD memory card with illegal content somewhere.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Random  seizing electronic devices for potentially dangerous or illegal content is just ridiculous and completely Stone Age approach. There are virtually hundreds of convenient and secure ways to pass any data to any country via Internet. I really doubt that criminals traveling with their secrets stored on their laptops. </p>
<p>The REAL reason for seizing all that equipment is: US Customs found easy and cheap way to replace their old laptops with new ones. You know&#8230; recession ;-)</p>
<p>Have even better idea for US Government, why not random seize cars on Canadian and Mexican borders? There is possibility that someone can hide tiny SD memory card with illegal content somewhere.</p>
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		<title>By: Vasquez</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vasquez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Aug 2009 12:47:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Random  seizing electronic devices for potentially dangerous or illegal content is just ridiculous and completely Stone Age approach. There are virtually hundreds of convenient and secure ways to pass any data to any country via Internet. I really doubt that criminals traveling with their secrets stored on their laptops. 

The REAL reason for seizing all that equipment is: US Customs found easy and cheap way to replace their old laptops with new ones. You know... recession ;-)

Have even better idea for them, why not random seize cars on Canadian and Mexican borders? There is possibility that someone can hide tiny SD memory card with illegal content somewhere in the vehicle.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Random  seizing electronic devices for potentially dangerous or illegal content is just ridiculous and completely Stone Age approach. There are virtually hundreds of convenient and secure ways to pass any data to any country via Internet. I really doubt that criminals traveling with their secrets stored on their laptops. </p>
<p>The REAL reason for seizing all that equipment is: US Customs found easy and cheap way to replace their old laptops with new ones. You know&#8230; recession ;-)</p>
<p>Have even better idea for them, why not random seize cars on Canadian and Mexican borders? There is possibility that someone can hide tiny SD memory card with illegal content somewhere in the vehicle.</p>
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