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		<title>By: Mhoop</title>
		<link>http://www.consumertraveler.com/today/tsa-gone-wild/comment-page-1/#comment-18881</link>
		<dc:creator>Mhoop</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Jan 2010 16:45:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What part of the three ounce rule did this passenger carrying honey not understand?
I know I would not want to be the person to let  something explosive get through, but, on the other hand, I understand the thrill of finding something that will make headlines, whether it&#039;s really dangerous or not at all dangerous. And &#039;reality tv&#039; has shown all of us that it&#039;s okay to make a fool of yourself if it garners even a tiny bit of headline time on FOX/CBB/MSNBC, whether positive or negative.  Life is an eternal paradox/dilemma/conundrum.....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What part of the three ounce rule did this passenger carrying honey not understand?<br />
I know I would not want to be the person to let  something explosive get through, but, on the other hand, I understand the thrill of finding something that will make headlines, whether it&#8217;s really dangerous or not at all dangerous. And &#8216;reality tv&#8217; has shown all of us that it&#8217;s okay to make a fool of yourself if it garners even a tiny bit of headline time on FOX/CBB/MSNBC, whether positive or negative.  Life is an eternal paradox/dilemma/conundrum&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: DaveS</title>
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		<dc:creator>DaveS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Jan 2010 14:20:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hapgood has hit the nail on the head. What this ridiculous security theater does is to waste billions of dollars patting down 90-year-old grandparents, while the resources could be employed actually going after the bad guys. The gross incompetence of the TSA  methods does not enhance anyone&#039;s security. And, as noted, the pantybomber was not the TSA&#039;s fault - it was an intelligence breakdown. The point isn&#039;t to stop radicalized Muslims on a watchlist who received terrorist training from Al Qaeda in Yemen and whose father warned security agencies about them from carrying stuff in their panties when they board a plane; the point is that they should not be boarding at all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hapgood has hit the nail on the head. What this ridiculous security theater does is to waste billions of dollars patting down 90-year-old grandparents, while the resources could be employed actually going after the bad guys. The gross incompetence of the TSA  methods does not enhance anyone&#8217;s security. And, as noted, the pantybomber was not the TSA&#8217;s fault &#8211; it was an intelligence breakdown. The point isn&#8217;t to stop radicalized Muslims on a watchlist who received terrorist training from Al Qaeda in Yemen and whose father warned security agencies about them from carrying stuff in their panties when they board a plane; the point is that they should not be boarding at all.</p>
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		<title>By: Papers, Please! &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Lessons from the case of the man who set his underpants on fire</title>
		<link>http://www.consumertraveler.com/today/tsa-gone-wild/comment-page-1/#comment-18860</link>
		<dc:creator>Papers, Please! &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Lessons from the case of the man who set his underpants on fire</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Jan 2010 02:12:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] role in &#8220;securing&#8221; international flights from other countries to the U.S. The TSA behaved badly &#8212; spectacularly so &#8212; in the aftermath, but what happened on Flight 253 in the first [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] role in &#8220;securing&#8221; international flights from other countries to the U.S. The TSA behaved badly &#8212; spectacularly so &#8212; in the aftermath, but what happened on Flight 253 in the first [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Hapgood</title>
		<link>http://www.consumertraveler.com/today/tsa-gone-wild/comment-page-1/#comment-18849</link>
		<dc:creator>Hapgood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jan 2010 17:29:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Frank, did it ever occur to you that ineffective overreaction might be worse than doing nothing? Doing nothing costs nothing. Doing something ineffective just for the sake of &quot;doing something&quot; costs a lot of money, both in taxpayer dollars and in the time all those people waste in delays and waiting. But the result is the same-- no actual security benefit. 

I know that you and a lot of other travelers fervently want to believe that all the costly, time-consuming hassles of the TSA&#039;s &quot;enhanced screening&quot; provide effective protection against a very serious and very real threat. And indeed, I would unquestioningly and gratefully subject myself to whatever restrictions, inconveniences, and indignities competent officials deemed necessary if I had reason to believe they were effective. Unfortunately, the TSA comes up lacking every time it&#039;s tested for effectiveness. All the TSA has really done is put patches and band-aids on the very same system that failed on 9/11. The result has been an increasingly costly, bothersome, intrusive (and maddeningly inconsistent) burden on travelers, with nothing to suggest that we&#039;re getting anything for what it&#039;s inflicting.

The TSA provides nothing more than the illusion of security, based on the premise that hassle and intrusion are synonymous with effectiveness. Many people (apparently including you) buy into this, possibly because you want our Leaders to &quot;do something&quot; and the TSA is &quot;doing something.&quot; But illusory security is arguably worse than no security at all, since it steals so much of our money, time, privacy, and dignity with the same result as no security at all. 

I&#039;m all for effective security, which for aviation means preventing terrorists from getting anywhere near an airport. We should all be outraged that after eight years and billions of dollars spent on an enormous &quot;Homeland Security&quot; bureaucracy, our government still seems no more capable of doing that than they were in 2001. And we should be at least as outraged that the primary reaction is the same as in 2001, to add more costly, burdensome, and useless hassles to ineffective airport screening. We the people deserve better than that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Frank, did it ever occur to you that ineffective overreaction might be worse than doing nothing? Doing nothing costs nothing. Doing something ineffective just for the sake of &#8220;doing something&#8221; costs a lot of money, both in taxpayer dollars and in the time all those people waste in delays and waiting. But the result is the same&#8211; no actual security benefit. </p>
<p>I know that you and a lot of other travelers fervently want to believe that all the costly, time-consuming hassles of the TSA&#8217;s &#8220;enhanced screening&#8221; provide effective protection against a very serious and very real threat. And indeed, I would unquestioningly and gratefully subject myself to whatever restrictions, inconveniences, and indignities competent officials deemed necessary if I had reason to believe they were effective. Unfortunately, the TSA comes up lacking every time it&#8217;s tested for effectiveness. All the TSA has really done is put patches and band-aids on the very same system that failed on 9/11. The result has been an increasingly costly, bothersome, intrusive (and maddeningly inconsistent) burden on travelers, with nothing to suggest that we&#8217;re getting anything for what it&#8217;s inflicting.</p>
<p>The TSA provides nothing more than the illusion of security, based on the premise that hassle and intrusion are synonymous with effectiveness. Many people (apparently including you) buy into this, possibly because you want our Leaders to &#8220;do something&#8221; and the TSA is &#8220;doing something.&#8221; But illusory security is arguably worse than no security at all, since it steals so much of our money, time, privacy, and dignity with the same result as no security at all. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m all for effective security, which for aviation means preventing terrorists from getting anywhere near an airport. We should all be outraged that after eight years and billions of dollars spent on an enormous &#8220;Homeland Security&#8221; bureaucracy, our government still seems no more capable of doing that than they were in 2001. And we should be at least as outraged that the primary reaction is the same as in 2001, to add more costly, burdensome, and useless hassles to ineffective airport screening. We the people deserve better than that.</p>
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		<title>By: Frank</title>
		<link>http://www.consumertraveler.com/today/tsa-gone-wild/comment-page-1/#comment-18844</link>
		<dc:creator>Frank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jan 2010 16:29:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Christmas pantybomber has sent the Transportation Security Adminstration into hysterics. A overseas lapse in our intelligence gathering operations has resulted in a series of hard-to-explain TSA actions making local and national headlines.
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I would rather have them overreact then DO NOTHING.  That&#039;s exactly how this incident happened in the first place.  Americans are such whiners, they want security but none of the inconveniences that come with it.  Terrorists hate us, just like they hate Israel.  When&#039;s the last time a BOMB got onto an Israeli jet?  Airport Security in Israel is lengthy and THOROUGH.  
How did they penetrate the security of the Israeli people?  Suicide bombers.  Did you think they would NOT try that with AMERICANS?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Christmas pantybomber has sent the Transportation Security Adminstration into hysterics. A overseas lapse in our intelligence gathering operations has resulted in a series of hard-to-explain TSA actions making local and national headlines.<br />
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<p>I would rather have them overreact then DO NOTHING.  That&#8217;s exactly how this incident happened in the first place.  Americans are such whiners, they want security but none of the inconveniences that come with it.  Terrorists hate us, just like they hate Israel.  When&#8217;s the last time a BOMB got onto an Israeli jet?  Airport Security in Israel is lengthy and THOROUGH.<br />
How did they penetrate the security of the Israeli people?  Suicide bombers.  Did you think they would NOT try that with AMERICANS?</p>
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		<title>By: Bruce InCharlotte</title>
		<link>http://www.consumertraveler.com/today/tsa-gone-wild/comment-page-1/#comment-18834</link>
		<dc:creator>Bruce InCharlotte</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jan 2010 10:52:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve been following the Michael Yon story and there is a second side to the story that we have yet to hear. Part of it is a claim that he might not have been detained by the TSA, but instead Customs and Border Patrol. That said, handcuffing is extreme even for CBP and I look forward to hearing more details on the story.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been following the Michael Yon story and there is a second side to the story that we have yet to hear. Part of it is a claim that he might not have been detained by the TSA, but instead Customs and Border Patrol. That said, handcuffing is extreme even for CBP and I look forward to hearing more details on the story.</p>
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		<title>By: Hapgood</title>
		<link>http://www.consumertraveler.com/today/tsa-gone-wild/comment-page-1/#comment-18825</link>
		<dc:creator>Hapgood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jan 2010 03:29:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chris Elliott has it right. I think at some point the TSA&#039;s leadership recognized that their agency and its &quot;officers&quot; are incapable of doing anything consistently, reliably, or dependably. And they recognized that they have no way of ever correcting that problem. So they hired a PR consultant who told them to spin this incorrigible deficiency into virtue by incorporating it into the security theater production. 

The underwear bomber provided the opportunity to highlight this new &quot;enhancement.&quot; The unpredictability and inconsistency you see at different airports and checkpoints is not... I repeat NOT... due to incompetence, stupidity, or any deficiencies in the TSA&#039;s management, policies, or operations. It actually reflects a carefully-designed strategy of continuous dynamic calibration that reflects the continually changing environment at each checkpoint along with the very latest robust intelligence concerning current threats. This highly precise calibration is designed to keep terrorists off balance, which ensures that the TSA always remains one step ahead of a determined and protean enemy.

I have no doubt that the spin will prove effective at bamboozling a significant percentage of the traveling public into not only ignoring the obvious, but accepting the TSA&#039;s reactive approach that equates hassle with security. However, if enough of us shout &quot;Rubbish!&quot; in forums like these, perhaps someone in Congress will finally get the message that the TSA needs to be replaced with something that&#039;s accountable, cost-effective. Some security measures at airports are clearly necessary and appropriate, but dubious reactive hassles for the sake of &quot;doing something&quot; are clearly not appropriate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chris Elliott has it right. I think at some point the TSA&#8217;s leadership recognized that their agency and its &#8220;officers&#8221; are incapable of doing anything consistently, reliably, or dependably. And they recognized that they have no way of ever correcting that problem. So they hired a PR consultant who told them to spin this incorrigible deficiency into virtue by incorporating it into the security theater production. </p>
<p>The underwear bomber provided the opportunity to highlight this new &#8220;enhancement.&#8221; The unpredictability and inconsistency you see at different airports and checkpoints is not&#8230; I repeat NOT&#8230; due to incompetence, stupidity, or any deficiencies in the TSA&#8217;s management, policies, or operations. It actually reflects a carefully-designed strategy of continuous dynamic calibration that reflects the continually changing environment at each checkpoint along with the very latest robust intelligence concerning current threats. This highly precise calibration is designed to keep terrorists off balance, which ensures that the TSA always remains one step ahead of a determined and protean enemy.</p>
<p>I have no doubt that the spin will prove effective at bamboozling a significant percentage of the traveling public into not only ignoring the obvious, but accepting the TSA&#8217;s reactive approach that equates hassle with security. However, if enough of us shout &#8220;Rubbish!&#8221; in forums like these, perhaps someone in Congress will finally get the message that the TSA needs to be replaced with something that&#8217;s accountable, cost-effective. Some security measures at airports are clearly necessary and appropriate, but dubious reactive hassles for the sake of &#8220;doing something&#8221; are clearly not appropriate.</p>
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