Tarmac delay activists meeting in Washington face legislative complexities

by Charlie Leocha on September 23, 2009

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Kate Hanni of Flyersrights.org and Kevin Mitchel of Business Travel Coalition led a stakeholders meeting in Washington to focus attention on passage of the tarmac-delay provisions in the Senate version of the pending FAA Reauthorization bill. The meeting was packed and proponents learned about the complexity of their proposal and had more problems added.

The hearing turned out to be excellent as a forum to show the intense interest in the pending legislation. It also provided a platform for many to present their own passenger rights agendas and to question the wisdom of the current legislation.

Two influential Senators, Barbara Boxer (D-Ca.) and Amy Klobuchar (D-Minn.) spoke and Robert Crandall, ex-CEO of American Airline made a statement and participated in the entire morning of presentations.

Interestingly, Hanni kicked off the hearing by couching the tarmac delay legislation as a form of health legislation rather than customer service. She asserted that long tarmac delays lead to blood clots, dehydration, diabetic episodes, missed medications and that mothers are reduced to using T-shirts as diapers. The rest of the hearing and witnesses focused on the customer service component.

Robert Crandall addressed the group, saying that airlines need some form of legislation to force them to act on these extended tarmac delays (or in airline industry-speak, extended involuntary holds). He encouraged the group to realize that solving this problem will take far more than simple legislation that rules, three hours “or else.” There will need to be coordination with the FAA to change airline take-off procedures. Airports will need to set aside scarce space to provide loading and unloading of aircraft. Airlines will have to modify boarding procedures. TSA will have to modify its plans.

He noted that American Airlines has already implemented internal rules that all but eliminated extended tarmac delays. The AA rules say no passenger should be held on the runway more that four hours without the opportunity to deplane. Computer programs help with the planning for these situations.

He urged the group to modify the legislation to allow the airlines a four-hour rule for the first year and then drop the requirement down to three hours for a maximum tarmac delay. He also noted that the congestion at the New York airports must be solved before any meaningful enforcement can be expected. He noted that the airlines are simply scheduling more flights than can be handled by the airport. Average afternoon take-off delays at JFK are currently 50 minutes.

When Sen. Boxer addressed the group Crandall raised this same point, but Boxer dismissed it saying (I paraphrase), “We need to get this law passed. Then we can deal with capping NY air traffic.”

Oddly, the hearing featured only one witness from a tarmac-delayed flight that would have be affected should the pending legislation have been in place.

Link Christin, one of the passengers stuck on the ill-fated Continental Express flight that was diverted to Rochester, Minn., and forced to remain overnight on the tarmac recounted his ordeal. However, this was a case where the pilot wanted to deplane all passengers and was prevented from doing so by an airline employee following the normal rules. If the pending legislation had been in place, the airport would have had plans in place for just such an occurrence.*

Luke Thomas, a businessman and very frequent flier, stated that he has finally come around to believing that some sort of tarmac-delay rule is necessary. He, personally, noted that his experiences with tarmac delays has been limited and normally was handled well by the pilot and crew.

Canadian country musician Dave Carroll, of YouTube fame, spoke about his guitar being broken by United Airlines. He never mentioned tarmac delays. Later, he performed as the hearing broke up.

Shawn O’Brien, MD, testified about a tarmac delay caused by a forced landing at an airport without customs facilities. However, his kind of tarmac delay isn’t covered by the current legislation. Common sense should have prevailed and it is uncertain whether this bill would have helped.

Leslie Yourra, a business owner and mother, opined about her experience about almost losing her daughter during a boarding error. Certainly, this situation reflects poorly on airlines in terms of customer service but had nothing to do with tarmac delays.

The expert witness panel was impressive.

Scott Nason, a consultant who once a vice president at American Airlines, spoke about the complexity of trying to coordinate all the pieces of the puzzle when it comes to these tarmac delays. He stated that he knows of no airline executive who wants to see tarmac delays, but that they happen during times of extreme duress on the system based on weather and load factors.

Dr. Amy Cohn, an associate professor of industrial and operations engineering at the University of Michigan, and a self-described “engineering geek” came to this hearing after authoring a Forbes Magazine piece questioning the wisdom of tarmac-delay legislation. She reiterated what was written in the article.

She said the new legislation simply “won’t work.” Reading a list of possible reasons for tarmac delays, Dr. Cohn noted that passengers delayed because of snow, lightning, or landings at non-international airports won’t see their lives change a bit by the current legislation.

George F. Doughty, executive director of the Lehigh Northampton Airport Authority, noted that his airport is committed to allowing passengers to deplane. However, most of the flights that are diverted to his airport are there simply to pick up fuel so that they can return to the landing pattern. His airport has instituted a procedure where passengers who want to deplane during refueling .

Doughty also noted that he posed the question about whether anyone could remember tarmac delay problems prior to the 1999 Detroit snow delay event. He has not had anyone come up with earlier problems. His opinion is that there were no delays because of structural differences in the airlines, lower load factors and larger planes, before 1999. Those options are not available in today’s airline world.

James M. Crites, executive vice president of operations for Dallas/Fort Worth International Airport, outlined his airport’s leadership role in handling tarmac delays and the plans that have been made to deplane passengers in case of extended delays. He noted that the costs were high, but that customer service and passenger care mandated that they find ways to limit discomfort during delays. He also noted that partner airports that took overflow traffic during slowdowns are all cooperating in this effort. All of his actions were taken without any legislation.

Hanni spoke as the last expert witness. She started by saying that it was a shame that passengers had to hold their own hearing in Congress because of airline stonewalling. Her presentation sought to dispel eight misleading statements about tarmac delays.

She asserted that the three-hour turnback rule would not reduce safety, cause cancellations, add to New York’s air-traffic problems, increase costs or drive up prices. She continued, noting that her organization is not trying to solve all of the tarmac delay problems, but wants to solve most of them. She questioned airline surveys that show passengers actually want to stay on airplanes during tarmac delays. Finally, she rebutted those who claim these delays are “statistically insignificant.”

Kate finished with, “…it’s not statistically insignificant for the daughter whose 80-year-old mother, who recently recovered form surgery, is sitting in metal tube in September on hot Houston concrete.”

Finally, a panel of journalists and association representatives were to have questioned the expert witnesses, but the questioning period deteriorated into a series of statements from various trade groups about why their organizations are supporting this legislation and the Consumers Union representative added a new problem to be considered, outsourced and off-shore aircraft maintenance.

Looming over the entire proceedings was the recent news that the FAA Reauthorization act was going to be delayed for at least until the end of the year before coming up for a vote. The House is expected today (Sept. 23) to simply extend existing surface and air transportation programs through the end of the year.

This delay doesn’t doom the tarmac delay rules, but it certainly will slow the bill’s momentum as the FAA Reauthorization moves towards resolution next year.

If tarmac delay legislation is important to you, contact your Congressman.

*This sentence was added as a correction. Originally, I thought that the Rochester airport delay would not have been covered because the pilot had requested that his passengers be deplaned and was denied. The bill would have required that airports handing diverted flights would be required to have a procedure to handle these flights without delays.

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  • Carrie Charney

    When there is a tarmac delay, what I’d like is to be offered water, some kind of snack for longer delays, and access to the bathroom.

  • John

    I wrote this earlier today in response to a Chris Elliott post (www.elliott.org) on his website btu it fits here as well.

    This situation(US Air kicking off a customer posted on Sept 23) is another example of why there needs to be a passenger bill of rights. I’ll stay away from the time limit agrument for now.

    This clearly shows a FA abusing the police power given to them by the FAA (one condition here is that Micheal is telling the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth which may or may not be true).

    In addition, recent events demonstrate that a flight crew can hold you against your will without the basic necessities and that’s ok (another business does it and it’s kidnapping). If you protest, you go to jail.

    More and more it appears that airlines have decided to abuse the powers given to them. We need a passenger bill of rights that guarantees a safe and inhabitable environment will all the basic necessities of life (food, water, HVAC, sleeping arrangements & sanitary facilities) without charge anytime the door to the aircraft has been closed for an amount of time (5 hours to accommodate transcontinental flights for food. I’d say the rest immediately.). At that point, the airline can sit on the tarmac for hours but they may end up supplying you with dinner etc and are required to maintain a safe environment. As part of the clean / safe environment, the DOT needs to establish a review board for abusive crew members (I figure that the police have citizen review boards and the FAA has granted police powers to crew members so why not).

    A bill of rights doesn’t have to mean a flight has to turn back. When I read the majority of stories of passengers held hostage by the airlines, the complaints are rarely just “I was held on board.” It’s almost always “I was held on board for 8 hours and the toilet quit working after 2 hours” or “They ran out of water after 3 hours etc.”

    I agree with you (Chris Elliott). A simple you must turn back after x hours isn’t workable in the real world. Mandating that airlines are responsible for your well being while on board does. Requiring them to provide potable water, HVAC and sanitary facilities as soon as the door is closed seems reasonable. Requiring them to provide food 5 hours after the door is closed (without charge) is hard to argue. Requiring them to provide sleeping arrangements like blankets and pillows after 10 PM for delayed flights also seems reasonable. Providing a review board for crew member’s actions when they use their police powers (detaining a passenger, threatening them with arrest or forcibly removing them from a flight for example) seems reasonable since most police departments have this. Fines for violations of the bill need to be large (100k+) and go to the effected passengers (with a lawsuit waiver clause) not the FAA or DOT.

    Ultimately, Congress has given the airlines all of the power and they have shown that they will abuse it regularly. There needs to be a balance restored to the relationship.

  • SirWired

    The AA clown complains that there are too many flights at NYC airports? This is certainly true, but why did the airline industry sue the FAA (or was it the PANYNJ?) to hell and back to make them back off of a plan to auction the landing slots?

  • Frank

    John September 23, 2009 at 12:11 pm
    This situation(US Air kicking off a customer posted on Sept 23) is another example of why there needs to be a passenger bill of rights. I’ll stay away from the time limit agrument for now.
    This clearly shows a FA abusing the police power given to them by the FAA (one condition here is that Micheal is telling the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth which may or may not be true).
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    Police Power? It was the CAPTAIN of this flight who had the ultimate power to remove this passenger from said flight.
    Bother way, it’s an FAA regulation to follow crewmember instructions. This passenger was being difficult and lead to his own removal. In all my years, I’ve only removed one passenger out of millions, so contrary to popular belief we do NOT remove passengers on a whim. It’s UNSAFE to fly with disruptive passengers, so they need to be removed. And, this has NOTHING to do with a Passenger Bill of Rights. Nice try, though.

  • Frank

    Interestingly, Hanni kicked off the hearing by couching the tarmac delay legislation as a form of health legislation rather than customer service. She asserted that long tarmac delays lead to blood clots, dehydration, diabetic episodes, missed medications and that mothers are reduced to using T-shirts as diapers.
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    Miss Hanni,
    NAME ONE PASSENGER who had a blood clot during these tarmac delays.

  • John

    Frank … You are wrong. The ability to detain, restrain and arrest is a police power by definition. How many stories have you seen where an out of control is restrained until the flight lands and then sent to jail. At that point, the flight crew has acted as a defacto law enforcement officer (you have zip cuffs on board right? I can’t restrain someone who fails to listen to me in my place of business without facing arrest myself. You can. So the FAA has granted you limited law enforcement powers.). Anything that expands my rights can be included in a passenger bill of rights so it has something to do with it. The right to appeal the law enforcement actions of an out of control crew shoudl be included (WOW the RIGHT to do something included in a Bill of RIghts. Interesting)

  • Frank

    The FAA didnt grant me limited law enforcement powers. They gave me handcuffs to defend myself against the hundreds and hundreds of AIR RAGE cases that were happening in the 1990′s. How else do you handle that at 35 THOUSAND FEET? Passengers were breaching the cockpit. You dont have the right to restrain someone in your place of business because you can and will CALL THE POLICE.

    Oh, and bother way, MOST pilots during our briefings at the beginning of trips will remind us to bring it to his or her attention, the occasional difficult passenger. It’s the Capt’s decision to remove someone and policy and procedures are taken into consideration.

    Out of control crewmember? I dont see it. And you do have the right to appeal the law enforcement actions. Hire a lawyer.

  • chrismurphy

    No food or water after several hours is unreasonable. The rare instances of non-working toilettes, let alone overflowing toilettes leaking down aisles is total insanity and no amount of time in such a situation is reasonable. That’s being subjected to a biohazard.

    When reasonable people want to leave an aircraft and are physically restrained or prevented from doing so, it is felony kidnapping. This is not a civil complaint against the airline, it’s a crime committed by whomever is restraining those desiring to depart the aircraft. As such, any witnessing citizen can make a citizen’s arrest of any crew member using force to restrain or prevent departure, again of reasonable people. It is that crew member that can get themselves a lawyer, and see how compelling their defense to prevent the free movement (escape in this case) of another person. Conviction for felony kidnapping isn’t something you just pay a fine for. You go to jail. It’s appalling airlines would put their employees into such a position.

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