State Dept. wants to make it harder to get a passport

by Edward Hasbrouck on April 22, 2011


If you don’t want it to get even harder for a U.S. citizen to get a passport — now required for travel even to Canada or Mexico — you only have until Monday to let the State Department know.

The U.S. Department of State is proposing a new Biographical Questionnaire for some passport applicants: The proposed new  Form DS-5513 asks for all addresses since birth; lifetime employment history including employers’ and supervisors names, addresses, and telephone numbers; personal details of all siblings; mother’s address one year prior to your birth; any “religious ceremony” around the time of birth; and a variety of other information.  According to the proposed form, “failure to provide the information requested may result in … the denial of your U.S. passport application.”

The State Department estimated that the average respondent would be able to compile all this information in just 45 minutes, which is obviously absurd given the amount of research that is likely to be required to even attempt to complete the form.

It seems likely that only some, not all, applicants will be required to fill out the new questionnaire, but no criteria have been made public for determining who will be subjected to these additional new written interrogatories.  So if the passport examiner wants to deny your application, all they will have to do is give you the impossible new form to complete.

It’s not clear from the supporting statementstatement of legal authorities, or regulatory assessment submitted by the State Department to the Office of Management and Budget (OMB) why declining to discuss one’s siblings or to provide the phone number of your first supervisor when you were a teenager working at McDonalds would be a legitimate basis for denial of a passport to a U.S. citizen.

There’s more information in the Federal Register notice (also available here as a PDF) and from the Identity Project.

You can submit comments to the State Dept. online at  Regulations.gov until midnight Eastern time on Monday, April 25, 2011.  Go here, then click the “Submit a Comment” button at the upper right of the page. If that link doesn’t work for you, it’s probably a problem with the javascript used on the Regulations.gov website. There are alternate instructions for submitting comments by email here.

(Note that the proposed form itself was not published in the Federal Register. The Identity Project was eventually provided with a copy after requesting it from the Department of State, and posted it here.)

Here are the comments (PDF) being submitted by the Consumer Travel Alliance and other consumer, privacy, and civil liberties groups and individuals, if you would like to use it for ideas for comments of your own. (They’re also available  in OpenOffice format for easier editing.)

Extra points to the person who gives the best answer in the comments to the question on the proposed form, “Please describe the circumstances of your birth including the names (as well as address and phone number, if available) of persons present or in attendance at your birth.”

[Update: More than 3000 people and several organizations submitted comments opposing the proposal in the final days before the deadline. Those comments raise further concerns: It appears from some of the comments that the State Department is already using a version of this form, without the required OMB approval.]

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  • Tony

    I applied for a USA PASSPORT  and I got the long form in the mail, since they said it was my first time my CA Drivers Licence, and my bith certificate wasn’t enought proof of identity so my application was denied after I send a letter to them saying that if they wanted all that information they should make a new passport application with all those questions so when citizens apply they don’t get this kind of surprises. by the way they keep your birth certificate now and they don’t refund your passport fee of almost $200 thats if you want the card and the book. thanks for reading :O)

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  • Madara05131

    ummmmmmmmm really? then what do we do?

  • Tony

    Well if you have everything at hand that they request, send them everything you got . But some things you probably won’t even know if you have, especially if your parents divorced or abandoned you because they didn’t want you or couldn’t afford you may be you have brothers and sisters you don’t even know or childhood was in a different country with a grand parent that past away and you have no record of that and that was all your family (some countries they buried the bodies in a field with no record of the dead that’s if you lived in a rural place). or in some cases parents were  irresponsible or dead and you don’t even know or you never met them , If you had been a victim of identity theft, then your file becomes flag and they will require too much to prove who you are. And they won’t believe stories. so if its any of that then i don’t Know but if you believe there is a mistake then call your state congress man in their websites they have a link for passport problems the will fix it for you. thanks for your interest  and follow up if my advice helped Good luck:O)

  • Tony

    Well if you have everything at hand that they request, send them everything you got . But some things you probably won’t even know if you have, especially if your parents divorced or abandoned you because they didn’t want you or couldn’t afford you may be you have brothers and sisters you don’t even know or childhood was in a different country with a grand parent that past away and you have no record of that and that was all your family (some countries they buried the bodies in a field with no record of the dead that’s if you lived in a rural place). or in some cases parents were  irresponsible or dead and you don’t even know or you never met them , If you had been a victim of identity theft, then your file becomes flag and they will require too much to prove who you are. And they won’t believe stories. so if its any of that then i don’t Know but if you believe there is a mistake then call your state congress man in their websites they have a link for passport problems the will fix it for you. thanks for your interest  and follow up if my advice helped Good luck:O)

  • http://easyeta.com Australian Visa

    I just sort of think that asking for that much in-depth information is a bit of a stretch. Heck, to get a visa (such as an Australia visa), you only need some basic information (name, birthday, country of birth, etc.) How can it be sensible to require employment history, etc. However, I will say that, if security is your main concern then people should have nothing to hide and it’s an easy way to protect people.

  • http://nationalwoodworking.com Alvin Zaleski

    I was stunned to find this type of form is in circulation, even if it is merely a prototype. I actually know quite a bit about the circumstances of my birth and I would not be able to finish half of that dread form.

  • Ol School Citizen

    Goes to show you whom is exactly running this country. The lockdown has begun folks..

  • http://twitter.com/zoeblaize Nicole

    Why in the world does the State Department need that much information? That’s a longer scope and greater detail than what is required to issue a Top Secret security clearance, the highest and most restrictive clearance issued by the federal government.

  • http://www.squidoo.com/custom-software-australia MarkusJUS

    “This is one more sign of weakness and verifies that the US is going
    bankrupt. How do you prevent your tax payer base from migrating? Deny
    them them their travel documents”

    I love it, very well put!

  • Monica Garcia

    Oh my goodnes because of this, it took me forever to get all the stuff ready and now my passport didn’t get here on time, and my husband is leaving tomorrow to Mexico to baptize his cousin’s son without me! 

  • Rusboldt Sean

    my honeymoon is going to be potentially ruined by this new passport application bullcrap. i am only 25 years old and I do not know the unrealistic information they are looking for. This whole situation is completely unbelievable!

  • Anonymous

    Making it more difficult??? They should make it easier! It’s ridiculously time-consuming and expensive here as it is. I have friends in other countries that can get their passport same day for a fraction of the cost . . .

  • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/SRJHRC7YXBFGBUVM6ARMCCURT4 FRANCINE

    What is the purpose of such a ridiculous form. Please do not tell me the one size fit all,   to fight Terrorism. I have to get out of this country gone complete MAD……. 

  • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/SRJHRC7YXBFGBUVM6ARMCCURT4 FRANCINE

    And the tooth ferry will visit you the next time you lose a tooth…..Grow up

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_G6FUWU5S3YJUH7TBWIAKEOWSGA Pam

    This would make the US one just like the Canadian one.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_G6FUWU5S3YJUH7TBWIAKEOWSGA Pam

    It’s not just a travel document. American citizens born abroad in any other country, whose birth certificate would be questionable as to establishing US citizenship, have to have a passport to verify US citizenship. It’s a citizenship document, not just a “travel document.” By calling it just a travel document you trivialize its importance to US citizens “born abroad to American parents.”

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_G6FUWU5S3YJUH7TBWIAKEOWSGA Pam

    You should have gone in person to a Passport office, then you’d get your documents back right away. And if you were born in a US state or territory then your birth certificate should have been sufficient; if you were born abroad to an American parent there IS a 14-page long form you have to fill out in addition to the birth certificate, declaring US citizenship; plus then you’d have to have your US born parent’s birth certificate as well……so I don’t know what your situation was to advise on it, sorry.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_G6FUWU5S3YJUH7TBWIAKEOWSGA Pam

    Well this is what the Canadian government does, so why should the US not follow suit? It makes it almost impossible for some Canadian born people to get Canadian passports. So you can be a born-citizen in a country that won’t issue you a passport because you can’t get enough references or unbroken work history or other kinds of BS. Let’s make ALL North American countries equally stupid with regards to passport issuance.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_G6FUWU5S3YJUH7TBWIAKEOWSGA Pam

    Yes, more details to prove you were born here than to get a job with the FBI or CIA…..

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_G6FUWU5S3YJUH7TBWIAKEOWSGA Pam

    People SAY (usually employers who are refusing to accept mine as proof of both citizenship and identity) that it’s because in other countries the passport is the only photo ID they have. They take them for granted, also countries which are smaller so travel any kind of distance whatsoever is going to land you at a border of another country…yeah you’re right, both the US and Canada should make it easier not keep adding things you have to do to prove you were born there. Think about it, a passport is supposed to make it EASIER to prove you have the right to be here, work here, and claim benefits or housing, but HAVING the darn thing makes it HARDER because Americans as a whole in positions of doing the paperwork, like Human Resources officers or Housing officers, are so stupid they’re not used to SEEING passports and so initially refuse to accept them as the proper proof….in countries where the passport is the only thing you CAN get with your picture and identifying information on it, this is not the case!! In other countries everything you apply for accepts a passport as proof of who you say you are; here, when you use one, you have to FORCE the person to accept it on penalty of a federal lawsuit.

    Good thing I like filing federal lawsuits.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_G6FUWU5S3YJUH7TBWIAKEOWSGA Pam

    Well, not without a passport you’re not!! (You could still go by land to Canada, though)

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_G6FUWU5S3YJUH7TBWIAKEOWSGA Pam

    I’m sort of wondering WHO will be required to fill out all these insane documents. In Canada the change in passport application forms was a direct result of “9-11″ and was done because the foreigners with Canadian passports snuck into the US or whatever the reasoning was; but it was changed on ALL Passport Canada forms. Now everyone born in Canada has to put up with this BS, get references, put employment history, residence history, all this BS rubbish. It’s just all ON the new passport forms, and even applies to renewals of old passports which have expired. You could have had a pre-2004 Canadian passport and when it came time to renew it, suddenly you’re slapped with all these ridiculous requirements and have to dig up references and all that nonsense.

    Down here I’m wondering if the new forms will be given to EVERY passport applicant regardless of where in this country they were born, or is it given selectively just to those who were born somewhere else and are either naturalized US citizens or born-abroad-to-an-American-parent citizens…..because selectively choosing which TYPE of US citizens will be given the twentieth degree, to prove US citizenship with a passport, is discrimination, as is employers refusing to accept a US passport as proof of US citizenship and identity. I’m not even going to mention the possibility of the Passport office only targeting certain ethnicities whom they think are “lying” about being born here like people with Spanish or Muslim surnames……

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_G6FUWU5S3YJUH7TBWIAKEOWSGA Pam

    I just looked at the form; the first person who has to fill this out should take the Passport department to federal court for discrimination. Plain and simple. They can’t expect ANYBODY to know this stuff they want to know, and to only expect it of SOME people (as surely it’s not going to be part of passport renewal for those of us who already have passports) – that’s discrimination. Textbook case. Open and shut case.

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  • Anonymous

    Nice Blog!

  • AfraidofBigBrother

    It used to be the Soviets that lived behind the Iron Curtain.  What do they call our curtain?

  • AfraidOfBigBrother

    Anyone born in the United States, and can prove that they are born in the United States is by definition a United States Citizen.  If a person has a Birth Certificate from a County in the United States, a Social Security number and what not, then there is no more proof required.  A pass port is a document that lets you leave the United States.

    Are you saying Illegal Aliens should not be allowed to leave the United States because they cannot prove they are U.S. Citizens or are you saying that U.S. Citizens should not be allowed to have a pass port?

  • SuckemAllTheTime

    It isn’t about having anything to hide.  It is about having to basically dig up documents and info that may be long forgotten or not attainable.  It is worse than doing Taxes and sometimes not possible at all.

  • Youvegottabekidding

    I can tell you who.  Young women who are natural born U.S. Citizens and who have lived in the United States their entire lives who have never left the country, are the ones being asked.

  • Concerned Citizen

    My stepfather passed a few weeks ago. He had cancer and we knew it was coming so me and my sister planned on taking a vacation with my mother out of the country as soon as he passed to try to keep her occupied. My mother had a passport and my sister recieved hers with ease. I recieved the questionaire asking for more information than I have. Of course, i’ve completely missed the vacation due to this state department and these papers they’ve sent me that feels like a violation of my civil rights, but after calling the number listed in the papers, i’ve come to find that I couldn’t even get my birth certificate sent back to me without mailing the complete packet back and i’m dumbstruck. I really have no idea what to do at this point and i’ve held onto the copy of my birth certicate my entire life and will continue to need it for identification purposes. I’ve come to terms with being out almost 200 dollars and missing the vacation for my mother but this is ridiculous! Does anyone have any advice?

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