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		<title>By: Steve W.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve W.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Sep 2010 05:13:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I believe in the free market, but when it comes to the airlines, this is a matter of convenience and necessity. The problem is not that there is not enough competition, but that there is too much caused by low cost regional airlines. I believe that this is driving the once glorified industry into the ground. Regional pilot pay is a slap in the face for new commercial pilots. To be competitive, you need a four year degree with 2000+ hours of flight time. Now your looking at investing $100,000 on training and education to get a job that only pays $22,000/year starting and working 16 hours per day to earn it. We should go back to pre 1978 era regulations. Regs on routes, prices, employee pay, etc.. This time around, we should be more conservative, so to not let the unions drive employee pay to ridiculous heights, but also, not let managers pay pilots in peanuts. If you are worried about consumer ticket prices, then just take a look at what’s going on around you now. You buy a ticket, then you pay for your bags (each of them), you get hungry and buy food on the flight, the service is worse than ever before, airport facility charges, fuel, etc.. Or, you get an advertised fee with no hidden charges, pay a little more, includes food, bags, and great service that is monitored by the DOT. In this way, pilots will actually be payed as professionals, service will be great, and the industry will do as it has always done: fluctuate with the economy and even grow. If Disneyland can drive prices up every year, even in a recession, and get away with it, then people will still fly at a slightly higher price to visit family, do business, and go on vacation. And no, this is not socialism. The airline world is already regulated in most areas. In fact, regulation has already taken place in U.S. history. Regulation in the U.S. ended in 1978 and ever since than we have had problems with airport congestion, lawsuits, diminishing service, and reduced quality of life for the professionals that work in the industry.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe in the free market, but when it comes to the airlines, this is a matter of convenience and necessity. The problem is not that there is not enough competition, but that there is too much caused by low cost regional airlines. I believe that this is driving the once glorified industry into the ground. Regional pilot pay is a slap in the face for new commercial pilots. To be competitive, you need a four year degree with 2000+ hours of flight time. Now your looking at investing $100,000 on training and education to get a job that only pays $22,000/year starting and working 16 hours per day to earn it. We should go back to pre 1978 era regulations. Regs on routes, prices, employee pay, etc.. This time around, we should be more conservative, so to not let the unions drive employee pay to ridiculous heights, but also, not let managers pay pilots in peanuts. If you are worried about consumer ticket prices, then just take a look at what’s going on around you now. You buy a ticket, then you pay for your bags (each of them), you get hungry and buy food on the flight, the service is worse than ever before, airport facility charges, fuel, etc.. Or, you get an advertised fee with no hidden charges, pay a little more, includes food, bags, and great service that is monitored by the DOT. In this way, pilots will actually be payed as professionals, service will be great, and the industry will do as it has always done: fluctuate with the economy and even grow. If Disneyland can drive prices up every year, even in a recession, and get away with it, then people will still fly at a slightly higher price to visit family, do business, and go on vacation. And no, this is not socialism. The airline world is already regulated in most areas. In fact, regulation has already taken place in U.S. history. Regulation in the U.S. ended in 1978 and ever since than we have had problems with airport congestion, lawsuits, diminishing service, and reduced quality of life for the professionals that work in the industry.</p>
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		<title>By: SavageNation</title>
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		<dc:creator>SavageNation</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Aug 2010 05:57:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If a group CITIZENS did what Airlines do, namely hold people in planes  indefinitely, they would not only be charged with kidnapping and false imprisonment, they could be charged with terroristic acts and torture under the Feds own fanciful Patriot act, et, al. People talk about waterboarding as bad. How about stuffing the worst offending Airlines&#039; corporate officers into one of their own tin cans, baking on the tarmac, without air conditioning, water, or flushing toilets. Let them connect to WiFi for their laptops and smart phones let them bid their way out of their predicament with proceeds going to Airline / TSA victms. Like that&#039;ll ever happen. Some are more equal than others.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If a group CITIZENS did what Airlines do, namely hold people in planes  indefinitely, they would not only be charged with kidnapping and false imprisonment, they could be charged with terroristic acts and torture under the Feds own fanciful Patriot act, et, al. People talk about waterboarding as bad. How about stuffing the worst offending Airlines&#8217; corporate officers into one of their own tin cans, baking on the tarmac, without air conditioning, water, or flushing toilets. Let them connect to WiFi for their laptops and smart phones let them bid their way out of their predicament with proceeds going to Airline / TSA victms. Like that&#8217;ll ever happen. Some are more equal than others.</p>
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		<title>By: Jenn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jenn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Mar 2010 22:42:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like the points brought up in this article (including those mentioned in the comments) but the title of the article is misleading. &quot;Reregulate U.S airlines? Hell, yeah — and here’s how&quot; Chris states what he would change, not how. I have a few questions:
   1. Where will the funding for Re-regulation come from? 
   2. Do you think that the government bailouts are more expensive than shouldering all the airlines in the U.S? 
   3. What will it do to ticket prices?

Thanks!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like the points brought up in this article (including those mentioned in the comments) but the title of the article is misleading. &#8220;Reregulate U.S airlines? Hell, yeah — and here’s how&#8221; Chris states what he would change, not how. I have a few questions:<br />
   1. Where will the funding for Re-regulation come from?<br />
   2. Do you think that the government bailouts are more expensive than shouldering all the airlines in the U.S?<br />
   3. What will it do to ticket prices?</p>
<p>Thanks!</p>
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		<dc:creator>Reregulate U.S airlines? Hell, yeah — and here&#39;s how &#124; AirConvoy.Com</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: Mike Smith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Aug 2009 17:21:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re-regulate the airlines now.  This industry is a vital public utility whose safety margin and technical sophistication is beyond the comprehension of the average duped &quot;cheap fare&quot; consumer AND the industry executives and marketing hucksters who don&#039;t know one end of an airplane from another.  The airline industry is vital not only to the nation&#039;s economy but also to the national security.  I&#039;ve seen troops bound for Iraq and Afghanistan to fight terrorists have their deployments delayed because airlines trying to do things too much &quot;on the cheap&quot; lose their bags and take forever to find them.

For too many years airlines have ruined any semblance of quality or even reliability by selling tickets below the cost of providing the service the cutting staff, services and even maintenance to a level that it is impossible for an airline to run reliably much less have any quality of service.  This was even before the time-wasting nickel and dime &quot;ala-carte&quot; fees which wouldn&#039;t be necessary if airlines would simply refuse to sell the product at below cost.  The obsession with &quot;market share&quot; even at a loss is something akin to shooting yourself in the foot to prove you have good aim!

The other disgraceful thing has been the wholesale &quot;screwing&quot; of not only employees--through pay cuts, layoffs, pension theft and benefit cuts--but shafting most creditors and stockholders like by abuse of the Bankruptcy laws.  Of course, those CAUSING the airlines&#039; problems--the kleptocrat CEOs and top executives--have been spared the abuse done to everyone else in the Bankruptcy process.  The only parties to have BENEFITTED from this idiotic deregulation and the lax Bankruptcy laws have been kelptocrat executives, corporate lawyers and the &quot;cheap is all that matters crowd&quot; and everyone else--stockholders, public, creditors and employees--be damned.  At least partial--if not full 1970s CAB--reregulation is needed NOW!

FIRST, airlines should be PROHIBITED from selling a ticket BELOW the cost of producing it.  Doing so makes it impossible to run an airline in a quality, even a reliable way regardless of poorly employees are paid or treated.  There should be a MINIMUM ALLOWABLE fare in every city pair (ie; ATL-NYC) pegged at what AVIATION KNOWLEDGEBLE experts (not marketing hucksters or desk jockey bean counters) say it cost to run an airline in a safe, reliable and quality fashion.  Above that price competition will be allowed, but running an airline&#039;s quality and dependability in the ground for the sake of &quot;cheap fares&quot; will not be allowed.

SECOND, &quot;Performance Standards&quot; requiring airlines to CONTROLLABLE items such as lost bags and non-weather, non-air traffic delays to a minumum set by the the DOT or face sanctions should be enacted to prevent the higher that current below cost air fares from just going into the pockets of kelptocrat CEOs but instead properly providing the quality airline service that existed before 1978.

THIRD, the Bankrputcy laws must be reformed to prevent airlines from using them as a strategy to deprive workers of decent wages, benefits and working conditions as well as unfairly shirk obligations to creditors and devalue the stockholders interests.  The Railway Labor Act should be amended to properly reinstate the requirments that Bankrutpcy Courts not allow any voiding of contracts which unfairly places any cost cutting on the backs of rank and file empoyees.

FOURTH, and this applies to ALL corporations, not just airlines; corporate governance laws must be changed to give stockholders a BINDING (not just non-binding) say on how much CEOs and other top brass are paid.  It is despiciable for CEOs of even failing companies to make millions of dollars while demanding employees take pay cuts to the near poverty level.  There is nothing &quot;socialist&quot; about this as the &quot;plutocrat lobby&quot; accused President Obama of for even wanting a NONBINDING stockholder right on CEO pay.  What could be MORE CAPITALIST than the OWNERS (stockholders) or a corporation deciding what the HIRED HAND CEOs will make?  CEOs and other top executives--in cahoots with puppett boards of directors (who are supposed to represent the STOCKHOLDERS, not CEOs) must think they are some super priveledged higher class of persons somehow exempt from the havoc they wreak of everyone else.

Dennis Michael Smith, Marietta, Georgia</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re-regulate the airlines now.  This industry is a vital public utility whose safety margin and technical sophistication is beyond the comprehension of the average duped &#8220;cheap fare&#8221; consumer AND the industry executives and marketing hucksters who don&#8217;t know one end of an airplane from another.  The airline industry is vital not only to the nation&#8217;s economy but also to the national security.  I&#8217;ve seen troops bound for Iraq and Afghanistan to fight terrorists have their deployments delayed because airlines trying to do things too much &#8220;on the cheap&#8221; lose their bags and take forever to find them.</p>
<p>For too many years airlines have ruined any semblance of quality or even reliability by selling tickets below the cost of providing the service the cutting staff, services and even maintenance to a level that it is impossible for an airline to run reliably much less have any quality of service.  This was even before the time-wasting nickel and dime &#8220;ala-carte&#8221; fees which wouldn&#8217;t be necessary if airlines would simply refuse to sell the product at below cost.  The obsession with &#8220;market share&#8221; even at a loss is something akin to shooting yourself in the foot to prove you have good aim!</p>
<p>The other disgraceful thing has been the wholesale &#8220;screwing&#8221; of not only employees&#8211;through pay cuts, layoffs, pension theft and benefit cuts&#8211;but shafting most creditors and stockholders like by abuse of the Bankruptcy laws.  Of course, those CAUSING the airlines&#8217; problems&#8211;the kleptocrat CEOs and top executives&#8211;have been spared the abuse done to everyone else in the Bankruptcy process.  The only parties to have BENEFITTED from this idiotic deregulation and the lax Bankruptcy laws have been kelptocrat executives, corporate lawyers and the &#8220;cheap is all that matters crowd&#8221; and everyone else&#8211;stockholders, public, creditors and employees&#8211;be damned.  At least partial&#8211;if not full 1970s CAB&#8211;reregulation is needed NOW!</p>
<p>FIRST, airlines should be PROHIBITED from selling a ticket BELOW the cost of producing it.  Doing so makes it impossible to run an airline in a quality, even a reliable way regardless of poorly employees are paid or treated.  There should be a MINIMUM ALLOWABLE fare in every city pair (ie; ATL-NYC) pegged at what AVIATION KNOWLEDGEBLE experts (not marketing hucksters or desk jockey bean counters) say it cost to run an airline in a safe, reliable and quality fashion.  Above that price competition will be allowed, but running an airline&#8217;s quality and dependability in the ground for the sake of &#8220;cheap fares&#8221; will not be allowed.</p>
<p>SECOND, &#8220;Performance Standards&#8221; requiring airlines to CONTROLLABLE items such as lost bags and non-weather, non-air traffic delays to a minumum set by the the DOT or face sanctions should be enacted to prevent the higher that current below cost air fares from just going into the pockets of kelptocrat CEOs but instead properly providing the quality airline service that existed before 1978.</p>
<p>THIRD, the Bankrputcy laws must be reformed to prevent airlines from using them as a strategy to deprive workers of decent wages, benefits and working conditions as well as unfairly shirk obligations to creditors and devalue the stockholders interests.  The Railway Labor Act should be amended to properly reinstate the requirments that Bankrutpcy Courts not allow any voiding of contracts which unfairly places any cost cutting on the backs of rank and file empoyees.</p>
<p>FOURTH, and this applies to ALL corporations, not just airlines; corporate governance laws must be changed to give stockholders a BINDING (not just non-binding) say on how much CEOs and other top brass are paid.  It is despiciable for CEOs of even failing companies to make millions of dollars while demanding employees take pay cuts to the near poverty level.  There is nothing &#8220;socialist&#8221; about this as the &#8220;plutocrat lobby&#8221; accused President Obama of for even wanting a NONBINDING stockholder right on CEO pay.  What could be MORE CAPITALIST than the OWNERS (stockholders) or a corporation deciding what the HIRED HAND CEOs will make?  CEOs and other top executives&#8211;in cahoots with puppett boards of directors (who are supposed to represent the STOCKHOLDERS, not CEOs) must think they are some super priveledged higher class of persons somehow exempt from the havoc they wreak of everyone else.</p>
<p>Dennis Michael Smith, Marietta, Georgia</p>
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		<title>By: Frank</title>
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		<dc:creator>Frank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Nov 2008 00:36:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On November 1st, 2008 at 12:13 pm Heather Collins said Frank.. If you ONCE got a service that was bundled into the price of the plane ticket and then they TAKE THAT SERVICE AWAY and DO *NOT* lower the ticket price accordingly,
you are STILL PAYING FOR A SERVICE YOU ARE NO LONGER
RECEIVING! That’s bad enough…and it SHOULD be illegal. They
are still charging for a service they are not providing…it’s called “theft” of
passengers money.
========================================================

So, I guess the airlines should charge you based on the price of oil, daily.  right?
Because at my airline, for every DOLLAR that oil increases, that ADDS 40 MILLION DOLLARS in increased COSTS, the cost of oil to operate those aircraft you fly on.  They are trying to keep ticket prices reasonable by charging you extra&#039;s.  NO ONE IS FORCING YOU to buy a soda or check a bag.  That COST will now be determined by YOU, not the airline.  WAKE UP, HEATHER.  The industry&#039;s pricing model has....................CHANGED.  The industry is always evolving.   Remember travel agent commissions?  Paper tickets?  Chicken or Beef?  CHANGED.............and......................GONE.

and, YOU have it backwards, they reduced services which kept fares more reasonable, had they had to raise them to cover the fluctuating oil price.  sure, oil is down, what about 3 months from now?  Could the Middle East perhaps reduce oil production to raise the price up again?  Everyone who flew this summer, flew cheaply.  (WITH THE EXCEPTION of last minute fares) because they purchased their tickets, when?....MONTHS IN ADVANCE.  Those fares didnt cover the increase in fuel costs  for the entire summer.  So, the airlines had to reduce costs by unbundling services.  Why unbundle?  So, the airline can recoup expenses, because it now COSTS MORE to fly you.  Simple Business 101.

And, NEWSFLASH..........it doesnt matter that theater and baseball parks didnt give away free products to it&#039;s customers.  The airlines, which have on average, 50 TO 100 MILLION customers PER YEAR can no longer include these freebies in the ticket price.  I suppose YOU always expected a trip to Florida to cost 79.00 bucks.   SEEMS you&#039;re out of touch and LACK serious knowledge of the industry that I&#039;ve spent my entire life doing.  

MOP THAT!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On November 1st, 2008 at 12:13 pm Heather Collins said Frank.. If you ONCE got a service that was bundled into the price of the plane ticket and then they TAKE THAT SERVICE AWAY and DO *NOT* lower the ticket price accordingly,<br />
you are STILL PAYING FOR A SERVICE YOU ARE NO LONGER<br />
RECEIVING! That’s bad enough…and it SHOULD be illegal. They<br />
are still charging for a service they are not providing…it’s called “theft” of<br />
passengers money.<br />
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<p>So, I guess the airlines should charge you based on the price of oil, daily.  right?<br />
Because at my airline, for every DOLLAR that oil increases, that ADDS 40 MILLION DOLLARS in increased COSTS, the cost of oil to operate those aircraft you fly on.  They are trying to keep ticket prices reasonable by charging you extra&#8217;s.  NO ONE IS FORCING YOU to buy a soda or check a bag.  That COST will now be determined by YOU, not the airline.  WAKE UP, HEATHER.  The industry&#8217;s pricing model has&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;..CHANGED.  The industry is always evolving.   Remember travel agent commissions?  Paper tickets?  Chicken or Beef?  CHANGED&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;.and&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;.GONE.</p>
<p>and, YOU have it backwards, they reduced services which kept fares more reasonable, had they had to raise them to cover the fluctuating oil price.  sure, oil is down, what about 3 months from now?  Could the Middle East perhaps reduce oil production to raise the price up again?  Everyone who flew this summer, flew cheaply.  (WITH THE EXCEPTION of last minute fares) because they purchased their tickets, when?&#8230;.MONTHS IN ADVANCE.  Those fares didnt cover the increase in fuel costs  for the entire summer.  So, the airlines had to reduce costs by unbundling services.  Why unbundle?  So, the airline can recoup expenses, because it now COSTS MORE to fly you.  Simple Business 101.</p>
<p>And, NEWSFLASH&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;.it doesnt matter that theater and baseball parks didnt give away free products to it&#8217;s customers.  The airlines, which have on average, 50 TO 100 MILLION customers PER YEAR can no longer include these freebies in the ticket price.  I suppose YOU always expected a trip to Florida to cost 79.00 bucks.   SEEMS you&#8217;re out of touch and LACK serious knowledge of the industry that I&#8217;ve spent my entire life doing.  </p>
<p>MOP THAT!</p>
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		<title>By: Heather Collins</title>
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		<dc:creator>Heather Collins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Nov 2008 17:13:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Frank..you&#039;re WRONG. and I believe out of touch with the real world.
 
You wrote:
THE PRICE OF YOUR TICKET GETS YOU FROM POINT A TO POINT B. All other services are EXTRA…………You’re NOT “paying twice.” Everyone’s simply upset that the “same product” actually costs more now because the airlines are charging, services rendered. 
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NO, people are NOT upset about the same product costing more. 

First people have NEVER liked getting nickeled and dimed to death. 

Second...Lewis Lipps IS correct.  It would also seem
that you didn&#039;t read my post backing him up.  If you ONCE got a service
that was bundled into the price of the plane ticket and then they TAKE
THAT SERVICE AWAY and DO *NOT* lower the ticket price accordingly,
you are STILL PAYING FOR A SERVICE YOU ARE NO LONGER
RECEIVING!  That&#039;s bad enough...and it SHOULD be illegal.  They
are still charging for a service they are not providing...it&#039;s called &quot;theft&quot; of
passengers money.

AND if they now charge separately for that service, then you ARE paying TWICE!!!

And by the way...POOR comparison of theatre/baseball tickets...NEVER
have the food, etc been part of their ticket prices.  Don&#039;t ever join a 
debating team....they&#039;ll mop the floor with you.

HELLOOOOOO....Frank...is there ANYONE upstairs?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Frank..you&#8217;re WRONG. and I believe out of touch with the real world.</p>
<p>You wrote:<br />
THE PRICE OF YOUR TICKET GETS YOU FROM POINT A TO POINT B. All other services are EXTRA…………You’re NOT “paying twice.” Everyone’s simply upset that the “same product” actually costs more now because the airlines are charging, services rendered.<br />
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<p>NO, people are NOT upset about the same product costing more. </p>
<p>First people have NEVER liked getting nickeled and dimed to death. </p>
<p>Second&#8230;Lewis Lipps IS correct.  It would also seem<br />
that you didn&#8217;t read my post backing him up.  If you ONCE got a service<br />
that was bundled into the price of the plane ticket and then they TAKE<br />
THAT SERVICE AWAY and DO *NOT* lower the ticket price accordingly,<br />
you are STILL PAYING FOR A SERVICE YOU ARE NO LONGER<br />
RECEIVING!  That&#8217;s bad enough&#8230;and it SHOULD be illegal.  They<br />
are still charging for a service they are not providing&#8230;it&#8217;s called &#8220;theft&#8221; of<br />
passengers money.</p>
<p>AND if they now charge separately for that service, then you ARE paying TWICE!!!</p>
<p>And by the way&#8230;POOR comparison of theatre/baseball tickets&#8230;NEVER<br />
have the food, etc been part of their ticket prices.  Don&#8217;t ever join a<br />
debating team&#8230;.they&#8217;ll mop the floor with you.</p>
<p>HELLOOOOOO&#8230;.Frank&#8230;is there ANYONE upstairs?</p>
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		<title>By: Frank</title>
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		<dc:creator>Frank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Nov 2008 13:53:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On November 1st, 2008 at 1:23 am Lewis Lipps said The costs of services and items the airlines are unbundling and ala carteing have already been accounted for in the fare charged. If you are charged for a bottle of water, a first checked bag, to sit in an exit row ( Isn’t this a safety issue? Is the FAA too busy promoting air transport to ensure able-bodied people are seated in those rows?) or any of the other tomfoolery the marketing alchemists at the airlines concoct, you are paying twice.
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Interesting how many other (service) industries price this way.  Ever go to a Baseball game? A broadway show? A bottle of water is NOT included in the price of your ticket.  Either is that hotdog/glass of wine or those choice seats behind the catcher&#039;s mound/or balcony seats.  

THE PRICE OF YOUR TICKET GETS YOU FROM POINT A TO POINT B.  All other services are EXTRA............You&#039;re NOT &quot;paying twice.&quot;   Everyone&#039;s simply upset that the &quot;same product&quot; actually costs more now because the airlines are charging, services rendered.  That those 69.00 dollar fares to florida are now gone.  That you may have to actually PAY MORE then you would if you drove the route your flying!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On November 1st, 2008 at 1:23 am Lewis Lipps said The costs of services and items the airlines are unbundling and ala carteing have already been accounted for in the fare charged. If you are charged for a bottle of water, a first checked bag, to sit in an exit row ( Isn’t this a safety issue? Is the FAA too busy promoting air transport to ensure able-bodied people are seated in those rows?) or any of the other tomfoolery the marketing alchemists at the airlines concoct, you are paying twice.<br />
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<p>Interesting how many other (service) industries price this way.  Ever go to a Baseball game? A broadway show? A bottle of water is NOT included in the price of your ticket.  Either is that hotdog/glass of wine or those choice seats behind the catcher&#8217;s mound/or balcony seats.  </p>
<p>THE PRICE OF YOUR TICKET GETS YOU FROM POINT A TO POINT B.  All other services are EXTRA&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;You&#8217;re NOT &#8220;paying twice.&#8221;   Everyone&#8217;s simply upset that the &#8220;same product&#8221; actually costs more now because the airlines are charging, services rendered.  That those 69.00 dollar fares to florida are now gone.  That you may have to actually PAY MORE then you would if you drove the route your flying!</p>
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		<title>By: Lewis Lipps</title>
		<link>http://www.consumertraveler.com/today/reregulate-us-airlines-hell-yeah-and-heres-how/comment-page-1/#comment-7944</link>
		<dc:creator>Lewis Lipps</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Nov 2008 06:23:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Michelle thank you for the kind comments about my attitude; I just wish more people took ownership of their responsibility for the ASOT as far as the air transportation system is nowadays, and recognized the value of agency.  Thank you for reminding me about the propriety of proper spelling and punctuation, but the issue remains:  airlines are clearly out of hand and need reregulation.    The costs of services and items the airlines are unbundling and ala carteing have already been accounted for in the fare charged.  If you are charged for a bottle of water, a first checked bag, to sit in an exit row ( Isn&#039;t this a safety issue?  Is the FAA too busy promoting air transport to ensure able-bodied people are seated in those rows?) or any of the other tomfoolery the marketing alchemists at the airlines concoct, you are paying twice.  IMHO perhaps certain people don&#039;t mind paying twice for a service rendered once, but I&#039;m sure most rational people take offense to such a practice.  BTW, have you researched the city pair segments you travel most frequently, and compared fares you pay under this deregulated nonsense to fares charged before deregulation (adjusted for inflation of course)?  The low fare justification for the persistence of deregulation remains exposed as a lie and an illusion.  Have you ever researched legislative history behind the Civil Aeronautics Act of 1938, and not discovered how strikingly similar the evils afflicting air transport today are to the evils Congress sought to addres with that Act?   I repeat:  the airlines need vigorous reregulation as soon as possible, and I urge everyone to lobby their representatives in Congress ASAP to achieve that end.  TTYL.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michelle thank you for the kind comments about my attitude; I just wish more people took ownership of their responsibility for the ASOT as far as the air transportation system is nowadays, and recognized the value of agency.  Thank you for reminding me about the propriety of proper spelling and punctuation, but the issue remains:  airlines are clearly out of hand and need reregulation.    The costs of services and items the airlines are unbundling and ala carteing have already been accounted for in the fare charged.  If you are charged for a bottle of water, a first checked bag, to sit in an exit row ( Isn&#8217;t this a safety issue?  Is the FAA too busy promoting air transport to ensure able-bodied people are seated in those rows?) or any of the other tomfoolery the marketing alchemists at the airlines concoct, you are paying twice.  IMHO perhaps certain people don&#8217;t mind paying twice for a service rendered once, but I&#8217;m sure most rational people take offense to such a practice.  BTW, have you researched the city pair segments you travel most frequently, and compared fares you pay under this deregulated nonsense to fares charged before deregulation (adjusted for inflation of course)?  The low fare justification for the persistence of deregulation remains exposed as a lie and an illusion.  Have you ever researched legislative history behind the Civil Aeronautics Act of 1938, and not discovered how strikingly similar the evils afflicting air transport today are to the evils Congress sought to addres with that Act?   I repeat:  the airlines need vigorous reregulation as soon as possible, and I urge everyone to lobby their representatives in Congress ASAP to achieve that end.  TTYL.</p>
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		<title>By: Michelle</title>
		<link>http://www.consumertraveler.com/today/reregulate-us-airlines-hell-yeah-and-heres-how/comment-page-1/#comment-7903</link>
		<dc:creator>Michelle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Oct 2008 15:40:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry Lewis, you&#039;re wrong.  I am not an airline employee and I have no affiliation with any airlines.  My use of &quot;pax&quot; is due to my frequency of texting and shorting words.  Get with the times.

I also don&#039;t pay a checked bag fee.  Did you not read the part about me not using the legacy carriers?  Also, I travel with a carry-on bag only most times.  Not due to fees, but for the ease of travel without large un-necessary bags.  

I proof-read my post, but let me apologize in advance if I didn&#039;t properly spell out all my words.  Nice attitude by the way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry Lewis, you&#8217;re wrong.  I am not an airline employee and I have no affiliation with any airlines.  My use of &#8220;pax&#8221; is due to my frequency of texting and shorting words.  Get with the times.</p>
<p>I also don&#8217;t pay a checked bag fee.  Did you not read the part about me not using the legacy carriers?  Also, I travel with a carry-on bag only most times.  Not due to fees, but for the ease of travel without large un-necessary bags.  </p>
<p>I proof-read my post, but let me apologize in advance if I didn&#8217;t properly spell out all my words.  Nice attitude by the way.</p>
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