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		<title>By: Steve</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Mar 2010 11:49:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here is an idea.  The airline should only charge you a higher upgradeable fair when they actually deliver the upgrade.  I recently made United 1 K and got the 6 system wide upgrades.  I took the bait and paid the extra $400 for the upgradeable ticket.  Then get no upgrade.  I feel like I was baited into it and then ripped off.  I could spend an extra $3000 a year trying to get these 6 one way upgrades.  I am an angry customer now.  United would have been better off not giving me these 6 upgrades.  I am not going to spend the extra $400 again and may switch airlines.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here is an idea.  The airline should only charge you a higher upgradeable fair when they actually deliver the upgrade.  I recently made United 1 K and got the 6 system wide upgrades.  I took the bait and paid the extra $400 for the upgradeable ticket.  Then get no upgrade.  I feel like I was baited into it and then ripped off.  I could spend an extra $3000 a year trying to get these 6 one way upgrades.  I am an angry customer now.  United would have been better off not giving me these 6 upgrades.  I am not going to spend the extra $400 again and may switch airlines.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 19:59:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with Tim that airlines seem not to realize that their frequent fliers&#039; loyalty that produces enough miles for an upgrade or a ticket is important. As a past gold member of Alaska Airlines, now MVP, I saw upgrade availability slide from easy and &#039;unlimited&#039; to practically never. I am a cheap traveler, planning ahead and grabbing bargain fares. It now costs a whole lot more, especially at the first level, to even be eligible for an upgrade. Loyalty isn&#039;t rewarded even though I have paid more to fly on Alaska rather than the same route on Southwest.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Tim that airlines seem not to realize that their frequent fliers&#8217; loyalty that produces enough miles for an upgrade or a ticket is important. As a past gold member of Alaska Airlines, now MVP, I saw upgrade availability slide from easy and &#8216;unlimited&#8217; to practically never. I am a cheap traveler, planning ahead and grabbing bargain fares. It now costs a whole lot more, especially at the first level, to even be eligible for an upgrade. Loyalty isn&#8217;t rewarded even though I have paid more to fly on Alaska rather than the same route on Southwest.</p>
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		<title>By: Jason</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 19:57:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve never really had a problem using upgrades on United and I have used them both domestically and internationally.

One of the best parts of the UA-LH agreement is that I can use the System Wide upgrades on Lufthansa which I fly back from Europe quite a bit.

Overall I am happy but I am not prepared to pay for the upgrades.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve never really had a problem using upgrades on United and I have used them both domestically and internationally.</p>
<p>One of the best parts of the UA-LH agreement is that I can use the System Wide upgrades on Lufthansa which I fly back from Europe quite a bit.</p>
<p>Overall I am happy but I am not prepared to pay for the upgrades.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 17:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As someone who gets on a plane 40+ weeks a year, I always book an exit row, or in the case of UAL, economy plus seating.  That way I&#039;m comfortable regardless and the upgrade is a bonus.

I must admit however than as someone who averages 250K a year, loyalty should count for much more than it does. Business travelers seem to be penalized more and more these days yet they represent the largest portion of revenue to the carriers.  Something is wrong with this picture!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As someone who gets on a plane 40+ weeks a year, I always book an exit row, or in the case of UAL, economy plus seating.  That way I&#8217;m comfortable regardless and the upgrade is a bonus.</p>
<p>I must admit however than as someone who averages 250K a year, loyalty should count for much more than it does. Business travelers seem to be penalized more and more these days yet they represent the largest portion of revenue to the carriers.  Something is wrong with this picture!</p>
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		<title>By: Bob F-Miami</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob F-Miami</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 14:40:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>End of November I am flying from Miami to Bangkok (MIA-DFW-NRT-BKK) via American Airlines &amp; JAL for a one week trip - I paid $5,200 for BIZ and was able to use 1 *VIP* upgrade into 1st on the DFW-NRT potion because that flight basis was &quot;upgradable&quot;. I could not upgrade into 1st on the NRT to DFW potion because the fare basis was too low. However, AA just changed their rules, and I immediately upgraded into 1st with 25,000 miles and $350. it was a no-brainer, it&#039;s an almost 12 hour flight! Bliss!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>End of November I am flying from Miami to Bangkok (MIA-DFW-NRT-BKK) via American Airlines &amp; JAL for a one week trip &#8211; I paid $5,200 for BIZ and was able to use 1 *VIP* upgrade into 1st on the DFW-NRT potion because that flight basis was &#8220;upgradable&#8221;. I could not upgrade into 1st on the NRT to DFW potion because the fare basis was too low. However, AA just changed their rules, and I immediately upgraded into 1st with 25,000 miles and $350. it was a no-brainer, it&#8217;s an almost 12 hour flight! Bliss!</p>
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		<title>By: Steven</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steven</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 13:05:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>US Airways has, by far, the BEST upgrade program for a major airline, but it does favor those of us who are very frequent flyers.  Upgrades are automatic, on almost any fare (except mileage tickes, where you can pay more miles for first-class), on a space available basis by status.  You can add a spouse or companion free  upgrade as well, and that will happen automatically if they are on the same reservation with you.  If not, you have to call in and ask for them to be upgraded.

It&#039;s the KEY reason I stay with US Airways... if they ever change this policy I&#039;m looking elsewhere.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>US Airways has, by far, the BEST upgrade program for a major airline, but it does favor those of us who are very frequent flyers.  Upgrades are automatic, on almost any fare (except mileage tickes, where you can pay more miles for first-class), on a space available basis by status.  You can add a spouse or companion free  upgrade as well, and that will happen automatically if they are on the same reservation with you.  If not, you have to call in and ask for them to be upgraded.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s the KEY reason I stay with US Airways&#8230; if they ever change this policy I&#8217;m looking elsewhere.</p>
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		<title>By: rosanne skopp</title>
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		<dc:creator>rosanne skopp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 11:51:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No one mentioned Continental where my husband and I have Platinum Elite status Cost for upgrades on our oft used route EWR to TLV usually cost $1000 rt. This is just crazy and we often look for cheaper alternatives like taking a break in Europe and breaking up the trip. Sitting in Economy for 12 hrs on the really horrid 777 is unendurable.But spending an extra $2000 for the comfort seems too hedonistic .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No one mentioned Continental where my husband and I have Platinum Elite status Cost for upgrades on our oft used route EWR to TLV usually cost $1000 rt. This is just crazy and we often look for cheaper alternatives like taking a break in Europe and breaking up the trip. Sitting in Economy for 12 hrs on the really horrid 777 is unendurable.But spending an extra $2000 for the comfort seems too hedonistic .</p>
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		<title>By: Bill</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 04:33:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t care what they do as long as I can get an affordable upgrade.  I want on the nice seats.  I will pay something, just not absurd amounts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t care what they do as long as I can get an affordable upgrade.  I want on the nice seats.  I will pay something, just not absurd amounts.</p>
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		<title>By: MJ&#8217;s Travel Favorites 11-1-09 &#124; Traveling with MJ</title>
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		<dc:creator>MJ&#8217;s Travel Favorites 11-1-09 &#124; Traveling with MJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Nov 2009 15:42:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Consumer Travel explores the new choices for cashing in frequent flyer miles.  Those rewards are going to come with a higher price tag, whether it’s more miles or more cash. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Consumer Travel explores the new choices for cashing in frequent flyer miles.  Those rewards are going to come with a higher price tag, whether it’s more miles or more cash. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: MollyNYC</title>
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		<dc:creator>MollyNYC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Oct 2009 22:20:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m an AA flyer for years and have Gold status, which is their first tier elite.
Yes, of course I prefered the &quot;miles only&quot; upgrade, or a reasonable fee....say $100 - $200.  I think that the $350. EACH way, PLUS 25,000 miles EACH way is awful.  $700. + 50,000 of my hard earned miles is a big price to pay.
That said, I would not want to pay more for my ticket and have an &quot;upgradeable&quot; fare and then be stuck in a coach seat. 
Since I&#039;m only a first tier elite, my upgrade percentage on my international flights is about 75%.  It&#039;s be furious that I paid a couple of hundred dollars more to be the the gamble, and then not get the seat.

Sadly, if the airlines didn&#039;t make flying in coach such a miserable experience, we wouldn&#039;t need all this fussing.  Biz and First should of course be a much more luxury product, but coach shouldn&#039;t be such a dreaded experience.

Also, as another person pointed out, this is for international flights. Domestic flights are handled differently and the upgrades are easier and cheaper.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m an AA flyer for years and have Gold status, which is their first tier elite.<br />
Yes, of course I prefered the &#8220;miles only&#8221; upgrade, or a reasonable fee&#8230;.say $100 &#8211; $200.  I think that the $350. EACH way, PLUS 25,000 miles EACH way is awful.  $700. + 50,000 of my hard earned miles is a big price to pay.<br />
That said, I would not want to pay more for my ticket and have an &#8220;upgradeable&#8221; fare and then be stuck in a coach seat.<br />
Since I&#8217;m only a first tier elite, my upgrade percentage on my international flights is about 75%.  It&#8217;s be furious that I paid a couple of hundred dollars more to be the the gamble, and then not get the seat.</p>
<p>Sadly, if the airlines didn&#8217;t make flying in coach such a miserable experience, we wouldn&#8217;t need all this fussing.  Biz and First should of course be a much more luxury product, but coach shouldn&#8217;t be such a dreaded experience.</p>
<p>Also, as another person pointed out, this is for international flights. Domestic flights are handled differently and the upgrades are easier and cheaper.</p>
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