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	<title>Comments on: Mackinac Island, Michigan — no cars, a bicycle and hiking haven</title>
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		<title>By: kim</title>
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		<dc:creator>kim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Dec 2009 13:45:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>we got to mack isle every year, it is such a relaxing place! it is pricey but there are bargains to be had . with a little research you can save a bundle!also every year there is a organized ride called zoo de mac[chek there website] that is a hoot! it starts out in harbor springs mich and ends up on the island. it is a guaranteed good time!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>we got to mack isle every year, it is such a relaxing place! it is pricey but there are bargains to be had . with a little research you can save a bundle!also every year there is a organized ride called zoo de mac[chek there website] that is a hoot! it starts out in harbor springs mich and ends up on the island. it is a guaranteed good time!</p>
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		<title>By: Gary</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Dec 2009 16:03:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hope that I am able to visit Mackinac Island someday. It looks beautiful. As for the history commentary from Hal, everyone should understand that he posts this same commentary on a number of different sites. I saw a responding comment on one site that seems appropriate. Here it is:

&quot;What I find particularly interesting about this war is that historians disagree on who if anyone won the war. Wesley Turner, who taught at Brock University, wrote a book titled The War of 1812: The War That Both Sides Won. Andrew Duncan Campbell, a Canadian, who taught at the University of Wales at Swansea, wrote in his book Unlikely Allies on page 11 : &#039;…the treaty signed at Ghent was an admission by both sides that neither had won the conflict….&#039; In a recent book by British historian Jeremy Black, The War of 1812 in The Age of Napoleon, the author states on pages 239 and 240: &#039;The failure of both powers to achieve their goals and vindicate fully their martial reputation and image encouraged in each a measure of prudence and restraint that was to be important.&#039;

It seems that it is possible to find an historian for whatever view one finds most agreeable.&quot;

I think this person has it right.

Gary</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hope that I am able to visit Mackinac Island someday. It looks beautiful. As for the history commentary from Hal, everyone should understand that he posts this same commentary on a number of different sites. I saw a responding comment on one site that seems appropriate. Here it is:</p>
<p>&#8220;What I find particularly interesting about this war is that historians disagree on who if anyone won the war. Wesley Turner, who taught at Brock University, wrote a book titled The War of 1812: The War That Both Sides Won. Andrew Duncan Campbell, a Canadian, who taught at the University of Wales at Swansea, wrote in his book Unlikely Allies on page 11 : &#8216;…the treaty signed at Ghent was an admission by both sides that neither had won the conflict….&#8217; In a recent book by British historian Jeremy Black, The War of 1812 in The Age of Napoleon, the author states on pages 239 and 240: &#8216;The failure of both powers to achieve their goals and vindicate fully their martial reputation and image encouraged in each a measure of prudence and restraint that was to be important.&#8217;</p>
<p>It seems that it is possible to find an historian for whatever view one finds most agreeable.&#8221;</p>
<p>I think this person has it right.</p>
<p>Gary</p>
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		<title>By: Nobody</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nobody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 16:30:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Earth to Planet Jupiter!
Hal: 
&quot;magnaminity?&quot;
And here I always thought it twas General Mad Anthony Wayne who kicked Imperialist ass that freed Michigan.
You should get a job in the apologetic American White House--you can burn it down using a portrait of the great dictator George Washington to start the fire.  Maybe Divine Providence won&#039;t interfene a second time and send a hurricane to put out the fire in D.C.  No need to destroy the British fleet again--they ain&#039;t got none after a couple of world wars with Queen Mary&#039;s Kaiser cousin and the Nazi friends of the Duke of Windsor, Edward the viii (abdicated because of a divorce`e, yeah, right.)  Sacrificial intervention by socialist Democrats &quot;he kept us out of war&quot; Woodrow &quot;peace without victory&quot; Wilson and FDR saved Europe from exterminating itself.  Now that generousity was magnanimous.

Here lies Edith Bolling Galt, beautiful swan
By the pen of a stroke, First woman President
If she can vote, why not all woman
Hence the 19th Amendment
RIP
Nobody was faster</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Earth to Planet Jupiter!<br />
Hal:<br />
&#8220;magnaminity?&#8221;<br />
And here I always thought it twas General Mad Anthony Wayne who kicked Imperialist ass that freed Michigan.<br />
You should get a job in the apologetic American White House&#8211;you can burn it down using a portrait of the great dictator George Washington to start the fire.  Maybe Divine Providence won&#8217;t interfene a second time and send a hurricane to put out the fire in D.C.  No need to destroy the British fleet again&#8211;they ain&#8217;t got none after a couple of world wars with Queen Mary&#8217;s Kaiser cousin and the Nazi friends of the Duke of Windsor, Edward the viii (abdicated because of a divorce`e, yeah, right.)  Sacrificial intervention by socialist Democrats &#8220;he kept us out of war&#8221; Woodrow &#8220;peace without victory&#8221; Wilson and FDR saved Europe from exterminating itself.  Now that generousity was magnanimous.</p>
<p>Here lies Edith Bolling Galt, beautiful swan<br />
By the pen of a stroke, First woman President<br />
If she can vote, why not all woman<br />
Hence the 19th Amendment<br />
RIP<br />
Nobody was faster</p>
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		<title>By: hillary</title>
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		<dc:creator>hillary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 00:54:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>it is awesone!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>it is awesone!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:)</p>
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		<title>By: Bodega</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bodega</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2009 19:27:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We did a day visit to the island in summer of 2008 when we were driving through Michigan.  We never made reservations ahead of time for the ferry but got to the pier first thing in the morning.  The day was chamber of commerce perfect.  Not too hot, no humidity, a slight breeze in the afternoon and as Kelly mentioned, lots of happy, friendly people.  I kept expecting Pollyanna to jump out from behind a tree.  It was such a step back in time and so relaxing. We did take the carriage ride to get ourselves a tour of the island, then we spent the rest of the day walking and exploring.  A little fudge shopping before boarding an evening ferry back to St Ignace rounded out or day.  I highly recommend a visit!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We did a day visit to the island in summer of 2008 when we were driving through Michigan.  We never made reservations ahead of time for the ferry but got to the pier first thing in the morning.  The day was chamber of commerce perfect.  Not too hot, no humidity, a slight breeze in the afternoon and as Kelly mentioned, lots of happy, friendly people.  I kept expecting Pollyanna to jump out from behind a tree.  It was such a step back in time and so relaxing. We did take the carriage ride to get ourselves a tour of the island, then we spent the rest of the day walking and exploring.  A little fudge shopping before boarding an evening ferry back to St Ignace rounded out or day.  I highly recommend a visit!</p>
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		<title>By: adele</title>
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		<dc:creator>adele</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2009 18:39:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you close your eyes and smell two things: horse manure and fudge, you know you can be nowhere else but Mackinac Island.</description>
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		<title>By: Kelly</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kelly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2009 16:05:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have lived in Michigan most of my life but didn&#039;t get to experience this beautiful island until Labor Day weekend of this year. I would highly recommend this place, there is really no place like it. But do expect to pay more for staying and eating on the island then any other place you would go in Michigan. It is what it is. But the most amazing part of being on the island is no cars. It is so great, I really wish more communities would have this rule. There is nothing but fresh air and it is so great to see people walking and riding bikes everywhere. I biked 25 miles the one day I was there and it so was exhilarating. Plus everyone is so friendly, and the culture is amazing; there is so much to learn. I couldn&#039;t gush enough about this place! 

One tip: definitely do your homework before you go. You have to figure out how you are going to get on and off the island (ferries make this easy), book in advance (since this place is so popular), figure out how you are going to get around: biking, walking, carriage, horse taxis; and plan enough time to take in everything. 

Here&#039;s an interesting tidbit: if you are at the Grand Hotel, whether staying or visiting, after 6:00 p.m. men must be in suit jackets and women in skirts or dresses. How fancy!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have lived in Michigan most of my life but didn&#8217;t get to experience this beautiful island until Labor Day weekend of this year. I would highly recommend this place, there is really no place like it. But do expect to pay more for staying and eating on the island then any other place you would go in Michigan. It is what it is. But the most amazing part of being on the island is no cars. It is so great, I really wish more communities would have this rule. There is nothing but fresh air and it is so great to see people walking and riding bikes everywhere. I biked 25 miles the one day I was there and it so was exhilarating. Plus everyone is so friendly, and the culture is amazing; there is so much to learn. I couldn&#8217;t gush enough about this place! </p>
<p>One tip: definitely do your homework before you go. You have to figure out how you are going to get on and off the island (ferries make this easy), book in advance (since this place is so popular), figure out how you are going to get around: biking, walking, carriage, horse taxis; and plan enough time to take in everything. </p>
<p>Here&#8217;s an interesting tidbit: if you are at the Grand Hotel, whether staying or visiting, after 6:00 p.m. men must be in suit jackets and women in skirts or dresses. How fancy!</p>
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		<title>By: Charlie Leocha</title>
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		<dc:creator>Charlie Leocha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Oct 2009 14:28:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the history lesson. Fascinating how much of history is in then hands of those that record it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the history lesson. Fascinating how much of history is in then hands of those that record it.</p>
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		<title>By: hal</title>
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		<dc:creator>hal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Oct 2009 12:33:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What is this nonsense: &quot;After the British defeat, Fort Mackinac again became American property&quot;? A more accurate reading is: &quot;After the American defeat, in an unparalleled act of magnaminity and generosity, the British returned all captured American territory including Mackinac Island.&quot;

As American History Professor Donald Hickey states in his new book (Don’t Give up the Ship: Myths of the War of 1812): Who Won the War? &quot;there are actually five groups of participants that must be considered: The biggest winner was Canada; then came Great Britain; and then the Indians living in Canada. The biggest losers were the Indians living in the United States [98% of them were exterminated by the end of the19th Century]; after them came the United States itself, which ... for the first time in its history lost a war.” 

When the War of 1812 started America&#039;s leaders thought an invasion of Canada would be &quot;a mere matter of marching,&quot; as Thomas Jefferson confidently predicted. How could a nation of 8 million fail to subdue a struggling colony of 300,000? Yet, when the campaign year of 1812 ended, the only Americans left on Canadian soil were prisoners of war. Three American armies had been forced to surrender, and the Canadians were in control of all of Michigan Territory and much of Indiana and Ohio. 

After two more years of War and another seven invasion attempts, none of Canada was occupied by American Forces and Canadian/British forces occupied large chunks of land within the U.S..
By the end of the War U.S. trade had been strangled to practically nothing, the economy was grinding to a halt, the US Navy was blockaded in port, the US Army faced increasingly hostile odds on land, and the nation&#039;s capital city lay in ashes. ... And the issue over which America had gone to war -- the impressment of seamen -- was tactfully ignored in the peace treaty and the captured American territory returned. Too soon, the construction of reassuring myths in the immediate aftermath helped transform a futile and humiliating adventure that aimed to conquer Canada into one of defending the republic.These facts (not &quot;myths&quot;) can all be found in recent books by Pierre Berton (2001), Donald Graves (1999), Jon Latimer (2007) and Donald Hickey (2008).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What is this nonsense: &#8220;After the British defeat, Fort Mackinac again became American property&#8221;? A more accurate reading is: &#8220;After the American defeat, in an unparalleled act of magnaminity and generosity, the British returned all captured American territory including Mackinac Island.&#8221;</p>
<p>As American History Professor Donald Hickey states in his new book (Don’t Give up the Ship: Myths of the War of 1812): Who Won the War? &#8220;there are actually five groups of participants that must be considered: The biggest winner was Canada; then came Great Britain; and then the Indians living in Canada. The biggest losers were the Indians living in the United States [98% of them were exterminated by the end of the19th Century]; after them came the United States itself, which &#8230; for the first time in its history lost a war.” </p>
<p>When the War of 1812 started America&#8217;s leaders thought an invasion of Canada would be &#8220;a mere matter of marching,&#8221; as Thomas Jefferson confidently predicted. How could a nation of 8 million fail to subdue a struggling colony of 300,000? Yet, when the campaign year of 1812 ended, the only Americans left on Canadian soil were prisoners of war. Three American armies had been forced to surrender, and the Canadians were in control of all of Michigan Territory and much of Indiana and Ohio. </p>
<p>After two more years of War and another seven invasion attempts, none of Canada was occupied by American Forces and Canadian/British forces occupied large chunks of land within the U.S..<br />
By the end of the War U.S. trade had been strangled to practically nothing, the economy was grinding to a halt, the US Navy was blockaded in port, the US Army faced increasingly hostile odds on land, and the nation&#8217;s capital city lay in ashes. &#8230; And the issue over which America had gone to war &#8212; the impressment of seamen &#8212; was tactfully ignored in the peace treaty and the captured American territory returned. Too soon, the construction of reassuring myths in the immediate aftermath helped transform a futile and humiliating adventure that aimed to conquer Canada into one of defending the republic.These facts (not &#8220;myths&#8221;) can all be found in recent books by Pierre Berton (2001), Donald Graves (1999), Jon Latimer (2007) and Donald Hickey (2008).</p>
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