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		<title>By: scanners uk</title>
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		<dc:creator>scanners uk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 11:14:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am really surprised to hear that these scanners are capable of producing child porn?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am really surprised to hear that these scanners are capable of producing child porn?</p>
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		<title>By: Hapgood</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hapgood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Oct 2009 22:53:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Carrie Charney, New York is well served by Amtrak, which makes trains a superior alternative to flying within the Northeast. But I live in Southern California, where Amtrak&#039;s schedules and routes are so limited and inconvenient that you&#039;d have to be a &quot;foaming&quot; rail fanatic to consider them. For that matter, the Greyhound station in Los Angeles is in the heart of Skid Row, which makes the bus a less than desirable option if you live in Southern California. 

It&#039;s unfortunate that the only truly practical form of transportation within California is the automobile. Los Angeles to San Francisco takes around eight hours by car (if you avoid peak traffic hours). That&#039;s not much longer than flying, which might work out to five or six hours &quot;door to door,&quot; and it avoids all the hassles of airlines, airports (especially user-hostile LAX), and of course the TSA. Amtrak takes twelve hours, when it&#039;s on schedule.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Carrie Charney, New York is well served by Amtrak, which makes trains a superior alternative to flying within the Northeast. But I live in Southern California, where Amtrak&#8217;s schedules and routes are so limited and inconvenient that you&#8217;d have to be a &#8220;foaming&#8221; rail fanatic to consider them. For that matter, the Greyhound station in Los Angeles is in the heart of Skid Row, which makes the bus a less than desirable option if you live in Southern California. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s unfortunate that the only truly practical form of transportation within California is the automobile. Los Angeles to San Francisco takes around eight hours by car (if you avoid peak traffic hours). That&#8217;s not much longer than flying, which might work out to five or six hours &#8220;door to door,&#8221; and it avoids all the hassles of airlines, airports (especially user-hostile LAX), and of course the TSA. Amtrak takes twelve hours, when it&#8217;s on schedule.</p>
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		<title>By: Hapgood</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hapgood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 18:17:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>MidMom8949, that&#039;s exactly why the appropriate role for full body scanners is for secondary screenings that currently require pat-down. That&#039;s the most cost-effective use of the scanners, in terms of intrusiveness and in dollars. It makes the screening easier for everyone when there&#039;s enough specific cause to justify an intrusive body search. 

But evidently that&#039;s not good enough for the TSA. They want to spend millions of dollars to strip search everyone who is guilty of wanting to fly, while increasing the risk of identity theft. Yes, there is at least a theoretical security benefit to strip searching everyone. But is it worth the price? That&#039;s why Congress should publicly debate the cost-benefit analysis and make public rules for its use, rather than letting the TSA&#039;s unaccountable bureaucrats do that in secret. But that&#039;s not good enough for the TSA.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MidMom8949, that&#8217;s exactly why the appropriate role for full body scanners is for secondary screenings that currently require pat-down. That&#8217;s the most cost-effective use of the scanners, in terms of intrusiveness and in dollars. It makes the screening easier for everyone when there&#8217;s enough specific cause to justify an intrusive body search. </p>
<p>But evidently that&#8217;s not good enough for the TSA. They want to spend millions of dollars to strip search everyone who is guilty of wanting to fly, while increasing the risk of identity theft. Yes, there is at least a theoretical security benefit to strip searching everyone. But is it worth the price? That&#8217;s why Congress should publicly debate the cost-benefit analysis and make public rules for its use, rather than letting the TSA&#8217;s unaccountable bureaucrats do that in secret. But that&#8217;s not good enough for the TSA.</p>
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		<title>By: Hapgood</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hapgood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 18:10:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As I&#039;ve stated before, the real problem with the virtual strip search isn&#039;t the intrusive loss of privacy, although that&#039;s what seems to particularly bother people in our Puritanical country. 

The real problem is that the scanning procedure makes no provision for allowing passengers to maintain control over their wallets. It thus thus exposes them to serious risk of identity theft, in addition to all the hassles of stolen credit cards. It also makes it impossible to wear a &quot;security pouch&quot; under clothing, which is often recommended to secure cash and identity papers. 

Currently, a passenger can walk through the metal detector with a wallet and passport securely in a pocket or security pouch, as long as everything containing metal is removed. The virtual strip search doesn&#039;t allow that. That all has to be &quot;divested&quot; so that the impeccably trustworthy officers hidden away in their remote viewing stations (to protect our privacy) have an unobstructed view. A wallet placed in a bin is dangerously vulnerable to theft, and the possibility that a carry-on bag contains a &quot;divested&quot; wallet or passport makes it that much more valuable to thieves. 

The TSA has confirmed on their blog that the (secret) operating procedures for full body scanning make no provision for allowing passengers to have continuous sight of their belongings during the strip search. One of the bloggers recommended politely ask a screener to help maintain visual contact with belongings. But like everything else about the TSA, whether that request is granted is entirely at the whim of the screener, since they&#039;re not accountable for anything. There is no obligation for anyone in the TSA to help passengers protect their belongings. 

The needless risk of serious consequences from the loss of a wallet or passport built in to the scanning procedure is the real showstopper here. It&#039;s clear that none of the &quot;security experts&quot; who are intent on strip searching all passengers thought of that problem. That&#039;s enough reason to put a halt to the deployment, at least until the TSA figures out a way to protect passengers from the threat of theft and identity theft that it currently creates. 

I suspect that the TSA will continue its current approach of ignoring the problem until someone actually has a wallet stolen at a checkpoint during a full body scan. Then they&#039;ll react in their usual fashion of blaming the passenger and denying all responsibility.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As I&#8217;ve stated before, the real problem with the virtual strip search isn&#8217;t the intrusive loss of privacy, although that&#8217;s what seems to particularly bother people in our Puritanical country. </p>
<p>The real problem is that the scanning procedure makes no provision for allowing passengers to maintain control over their wallets. It thus thus exposes them to serious risk of identity theft, in addition to all the hassles of stolen credit cards. It also makes it impossible to wear a &#8220;security pouch&#8221; under clothing, which is often recommended to secure cash and identity papers. </p>
<p>Currently, a passenger can walk through the metal detector with a wallet and passport securely in a pocket or security pouch, as long as everything containing metal is removed. The virtual strip search doesn&#8217;t allow that. That all has to be &#8220;divested&#8221; so that the impeccably trustworthy officers hidden away in their remote viewing stations (to protect our privacy) have an unobstructed view. A wallet placed in a bin is dangerously vulnerable to theft, and the possibility that a carry-on bag contains a &#8220;divested&#8221; wallet or passport makes it that much more valuable to thieves. </p>
<p>The TSA has confirmed on their blog that the (secret) operating procedures for full body scanning make no provision for allowing passengers to have continuous sight of their belongings during the strip search. One of the bloggers recommended politely ask a screener to help maintain visual contact with belongings. But like everything else about the TSA, whether that request is granted is entirely at the whim of the screener, since they&#8217;re not accountable for anything. There is no obligation for anyone in the TSA to help passengers protect their belongings. </p>
<p>The needless risk of serious consequences from the loss of a wallet or passport built in to the scanning procedure is the real showstopper here. It&#8217;s clear that none of the &#8220;security experts&#8221; who are intent on strip searching all passengers thought of that problem. That&#8217;s enough reason to put a halt to the deployment, at least until the TSA figures out a way to protect passengers from the threat of theft and identity theft that it currently creates. </p>
<p>I suspect that the TSA will continue its current approach of ignoring the problem until someone actually has a wallet stolen at a checkpoint during a full body scan. Then they&#8217;ll react in their usual fashion of blaming the passenger and denying all responsibility.</p>
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		<title>By: Carrie Charney</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carrie Charney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 17:43:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Hapgood:  I hope you also consider the train. No TSA. Just get there before the train does. Lots of legroom. You can get up and move about. Few weather delays. Snack car. I now do New York to Boston or Baltimore by train. I still don&#039;t mind flying and find that TSA attitudes have greatly improved over the years. I take the train for those routes because it is faster in the long run.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Hapgood:  I hope you also consider the train. No TSA. Just get there before the train does. Lots of legroom. You can get up and move about. Few weather delays. Snack car. I now do New York to Boston or Baltimore by train. I still don&#8217;t mind flying and find that TSA attitudes have greatly improved over the years. I take the train for those routes because it is faster in the long run.</p>
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		<title>By: Kweed</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kweed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 17:11:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John IS happily ignorant, he just won&#039;t shut up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John IS happily ignorant, he just won&#8217;t shut up.</p>
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		<title>By: Janet</title>
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		<dc:creator>Janet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 16:14:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So doesn&#039;t this make the technology ineffective if they don&#039;t scan children?  Do you really think the terrorists will balk about having children carry their weapons?  My other concern is the use of this technology and it&#039;s later effects on the body.  Right now they are saying it is safe, but how many times have we heard that and a later report disagrees with it.  Many medical discoveries are not made until many years have lapsed.  As a person who has to limit their exposure to Xrays for medical reasons, I&#039;d like to see some tests that would replicate long term results.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So doesn&#8217;t this make the technology ineffective if they don&#8217;t scan children?  Do you really think the terrorists will balk about having children carry their weapons?  My other concern is the use of this technology and it&#8217;s later effects on the body.  Right now they are saying it is safe, but how many times have we heard that and a later report disagrees with it.  Many medical discoveries are not made until many years have lapsed.  As a person who has to limit their exposure to Xrays for medical reasons, I&#8217;d like to see some tests that would replicate long term results.</p>
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		<title>By: MidMom8949</title>
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		<dc:creator>MidMom8949</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 13:36:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I infinitely prefer whole-body scanning to the pat down in the glass booth.  (I know I can opt to go to another room, etc., at the cost of additional time and luggage dragging.)  I have metal in various parts of my body and always have to have an additional scan. At most airports, I have to wait in that claustrophobia-causing glass booth while a screener screams for a female screener.  Whole-body scanning is fast and easy.

I am not remotely worried about some TSA employee guessing that shadowy figure on their screen is me.  (Note to self--keep going to the gym. . .)

This, of course, is separate from the issue of whether TSA oversteps its authority.  Yes, they seem to account to no one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I infinitely prefer whole-body scanning to the pat down in the glass booth.  (I know I can opt to go to another room, etc., at the cost of additional time and luggage dragging.)  I have metal in various parts of my body and always have to have an additional scan. At most airports, I have to wait in that claustrophobia-causing glass booth while a screener screams for a female screener.  Whole-body scanning is fast and easy.</p>
<p>I am not remotely worried about some TSA employee guessing that shadowy figure on their screen is me.  (Note to self&#8211;keep going to the gym. . .)</p>
<p>This, of course, is separate from the issue of whether TSA oversteps its authority.  Yes, they seem to account to no one.</p>
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		<title>By: Marlin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marlin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 10:38:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why is everyone in this world so uptight about their body being seen? Everybody needs to relax a bit, and while I am not for any freedom&#039;s being taken away, and the TSA has overstepped their boundary&#039;s at times, this seems like such a non-issue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why is everyone in this world so uptight about their body being seen? Everybody needs to relax a bit, and while I am not for any freedom&#8217;s being taken away, and the TSA has overstepped their boundary&#8217;s at times, this seems like such a non-issue.</p>
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		<title>By: Frank</title>
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		<dc:creator>Frank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2009 23:27:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can enjoy some great staycations that avoid the restrictions and hassles the TSA inflicts (along with even more hassles inflicted by airlines). And you can fly and be grateful for every command the TSA screeners bark at you, even though there’s no reason to believe it does anything to keep you safe.
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What they BARK AT YOU doesnt keep you safe?  Firstly, if you treat other people with respect, you usually get it returned.  99% of all TSA agents I have come in contact with are courteous and just want to assist you through the process (your words, hassles).  
They BARK (instruct loudly) for everyone to remove your computer from it&#039;s case.  I&#039;m thinking it allows a better computer scan of your internal parts which allows the screener to better identify possible threats like plastic explosives (Semtex) inside.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pan_Am_Flight_103

Remove shoes:  Self explanatory.  Richard Reid.  Had he simply done this in the lavatory by removing the smoke detector, things may of turned out catastrophic.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Reid_(shoe_bomber)

Found in his shoe:  Pentaerythritol tetranitrate (PETN, also known as corpent, pentrite, or rarely and primarily in German as nitropenta or pentrit)[1], is one of the most powerful high explosives known, with a relative effectiveness factor (R.E. factor) of 1.66.

Removal of winter coats:  Allows the TSA agents to visually access each individual who may have found a way to conceal a weapon or explosive device.  I know a F/A who was on a hijacked flight in the early 80&#039;s.  The Hijacker brought on a plastic flare GUN.  Did that make it through security??????  Huh?

I go through security on a weekly basis.  I find your comments abit of an exaggeration.  

Get in line.  show ID and Ticket.
Get in line.  Get a tub and remove metal items, liquids in bin and shoes.  Push Rollaboard through machine.
Go through Metal Detector.
Collect personal belongings.

THE OUTRAGE.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can enjoy some great staycations that avoid the restrictions and hassles the TSA inflicts (along with even more hassles inflicted by airlines). And you can fly and be grateful for every command the TSA screeners bark at you, even though there’s no reason to believe it does anything to keep you safe.<br />
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<p>What they BARK AT YOU doesnt keep you safe?  Firstly, if you treat other people with respect, you usually get it returned.  99% of all TSA agents I have come in contact with are courteous and just want to assist you through the process (your words, hassles).<br />
They BARK (instruct loudly) for everyone to remove your computer from it&#8217;s case.  I&#8217;m thinking it allows a better computer scan of your internal parts which allows the screener to better identify possible threats like plastic explosives (Semtex) inside.</p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pan_Am_Flight_103" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pan_Am_Flight_103</a></p>
<p>Remove shoes:  Self explanatory.  Richard Reid.  Had he simply done this in the lavatory by removing the smoke detector, things may of turned out catastrophic.</p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Reid_(shoe_bomber)" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Reid_(shoe_bomber)</a></p>
<p>Found in his shoe:  Pentaerythritol tetranitrate (PETN, also known as corpent, pentrite, or rarely and primarily in German as nitropenta or pentrit)[1], is one of the most powerful high explosives known, with a relative effectiveness factor (R.E. factor) of 1.66.</p>
<p>Removal of winter coats:  Allows the TSA agents to visually access each individual who may have found a way to conceal a weapon or explosive device.  I know a F/A who was on a hijacked flight in the early 80&#8217;s.  The Hijacker brought on a plastic flare GUN.  Did that make it through security??????  Huh?</p>
<p>I go through security on a weekly basis.  I find your comments abit of an exaggeration.  </p>
<p>Get in line.  show ID and Ticket.<br />
Get in line.  Get a tub and remove metal items, liquids in bin and shoes.  Push Rollaboard through machine.<br />
Go through Metal Detector.<br />
Collect personal belongings.</p>
<p>THE OUTRAGE.</p>
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