Dear flight attendants: Who’s sorry now?

by Charlie Leocha on July 28, 2008

The letter from an angry flight attendant has touched a nerve with travelers. Thousands of readers have left scores of comments either supporting the flight attendant’s lament or detailing their passenger laments. Here is one frequently frustrated frequent flier’s response. It comes to us by way of reader Stephen Doggette. Needless to say, there is plenty of frustration to go around.

Before I get started with the sorrow (and there is plenty to go around), I would like to put forth a simple definition:

Customer (n.): someone who pays for goods or services.

I, too, am sorry that there are no pillows, no blankets, no music, no videos and no magazines.

I am sorrier that, whether my flight is for one hour, three hours, eight hours or (with alarming frequency anymore) a one-hour flight that turns into a three- or eight-hour flight, there has been no forethought for providing basic comforts or entertainment.

I am sorriest that, as a passenger — and by passenger, I mean customer — I am encouraged to “anticipate” that I might get hungry or get cold and thereby bring my own blanket or food (or for that matter, water) when there is little tolerance anymore for any allowances except my one carry-on item.

I, too, am sorry that you ran out of my favorite soda, that there are no more sandwiches and that my (warm) Budweiser costs $6.

I am sorrier that you never had my favorite soda — or any soda, for that matter — or that there never were any sandwiches to start.

I am sorriest that I am now grateful to get peanuts or water without being charged or that my flight has a working lavatory and toilet.

I, too, am sorry that the overhead bin is full and that there is no closet space for my bag.

I am sorrier that, beyond the obligatory announcement, no real effort is made to locate smaller luggage under the seat such that larger pieces can be placed overhead.

I am sorriest that I have, on several occasions, been told by the in-flight crew themselves that it is not their job to assist with overhead storage and placement of luggage (until those issues potentially encroach upon an on-time departure).

I, too, am sorry that it is not the seat I wanted and that the flight is full and no other seats are available.

I am sorrier that it is not even the seat that was originally confirmed.

I am sorriest that, in order to insure an on-time departure, I am informed to find any available seat and that the details can be worked out later.

I, too, am sorry that I do not know when I will depart or land … thunderstorm or not.

I am sorrier that, despite the cause of the delay (outbound or inbound), I can’t get any regular updates regarding the status of the issue.

I am sorriest that, after having pushed back from the gate or after having been put into a holding pattern on approach, the inability to obtain updates continues or worsens.

I, too, am sorry that I am crammed into such a small space and I can’t “hang out” in either the front or back of the plane while waiting for the bathroom or otherwise.

I am sorrier that I sometimes forget about these items and need to be reminded. I am sorriest for the rather abrupt and stern reminder (please read that as “glares/eye rolling and disdain”) received from the in-flight crew because of my reckless and wanton marauding.

With respect to short layovers, I could not agree more. It is difficult as a passenger (and by passenger, I mean customer) to be at my best when flying. With the decrease in flight capacity, the decrease in airline employees, decrease in access to non-automated airline services, decrease in on-time arrivals and departures, increase in missed connections, increase in mishandled baggage and overall downturn in airline performance, I don’t have “a lot of time to recover.”

So I ask, is it any wonder airline passengers (and by passenger, I mean customers) have at best shut down a bit and have (admittedly) at worst become aggressive and hostile?

I must apologize as well. On any given trip, by the time I have dealt with long phone queue holds and non-responsive reservations agents, overly crowded ticket counters and overly aggressive ticket counter agents, security agents and security procedures that challenge any practical sense or sensibility and finally gate agents whose apparent mission is to “herd and not be heard”, I am well spent and almost total disengaged.

I ask your forgiveness if I do not respond to the often insincere (when one is extended) “hello” when boarding a flight. In turn, I forgive you for not acknowledging my presence as I board because you are too busy chatting with your colleges. I ask your forgiveness when not removing my headset as you pass by.

So, in closing, the next time you fly try treating YOUR passengers (and by passengers, I mean customers) the way you would like to be treated.

Signed,
Frequently Frustrated Frequent Flier

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  • Frank S

    What this “frustrated flyer” seems to forget is that MOST of what the flight attendant said they are sorry about is NOT WITHIN THEIR CONTROL. But, I’m NOT surprised by this silly retort…………typical passenger response.
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    Best response was Alison, I fly every week and in my extensive experience, 95 to 99% of the in-flight problems are created by passengers, not FAs. My overwhelming experience with FAs have been positive. Maybe that’s because I actually understand what a FA can and cannot control and don’t blame them or act like a jerk when circumstances beyond their control arise.

    ………….to which I say, THANK YOU.

  • Frank S

    I am sorrier that, despite the cause of the delay (outbound or inbound), I can’t get any regular updates regarding the status of the issue.

    I am sorriest that, after having pushed back from the gate or after having been put into a holding pattern on approach, the inability to obtain updates continues or worsens.
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    There’s a thing called STERILE COCKPIT……………….”Flight attendants are not permitted to CONTACT the cockpit for NON SAFETY related issues.
    The PILOTS are to blame……………….NOT the flight attendants, who get just as frustrated when announcements are not made to keep passengers updated.

  • Frank S

    I am sorrier that, beyond the obligatory announcement, no real effort is made to locate smaller luggage under the seat such that larger pieces can be placed overhead.
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    You’re kidding, right?
    SORRY, but flight attendants arent looking to “argue” that point, every leg. The passenger has EVERY RIGHT to use the overhead, regardless of size of bag!
    What your asking is………..the passenger with the SMALL CARRY ON to lose their LEGROOM because YOU have a BIGGER BAG.

  • Mike Carter

    I used to be silver medallion on Delta. I haven’t flown since July 2007. I drive everywhere (I just drove from NY to South Dakota to visit my in laws) or teleconference and my next flight is not scheduled until October 2008. I just can’t take the rudeness and delays.

    Thus, if the flight attendant values his/her job, they should treat the customer (passenger) better or they will have no customers and no job.

  • marge

    Frank S – well said!! Too bad most individuals – oh excuse me – I mean “customers, passengers” whatever – are not as intelligent as they think they are.

  • AKFlier

    Pilots’ fault?

    I’m not sure most passengers understand that until the plane pushes back from the gate, the pilots are not in control. The airline is. The airline does not necessarily do a better job of informing the pilots than the pilots do of informing the waiting passengers about delays. Once the plane has pushed, the pilots are in command when it comes to emergencies, but the FAA ground controllers still exert 100% control over things like taxiing and takeoffs. The pilots are pretty busy running through safety checklists, communicating with grand staff and ground control, and doing basic flight planning as weather and traffic conditions change. They are rolling with the punches and it makes no sense for them to take their attention away from their essential duties in order to give blow by blow updates to the PAX.

    I’m a frequent flier (I live in AK so cannot drive to visit family, attend work meetings, etc.) married to a pilot. I see both points of view. I also sympathize strongly with FAs and roll my eyes at several other PAX on almost every flight. If you’re looking for someone to blame about current flying conditions, try 1) the CEOs of the legacy airlines who are getting bonuses even while their companies lose money and they take pensions and jobs from long time loyal employees, and 2) our political “leaders” whose policies and decisions have led to over-dependence on oil and a war our children will still be paying for long after we’re dead. Don’t blame the flight crews.

  • R.V.

    IT DOES NOT MATTER WHOSE FAULT THE FLIGHT’S PROBLEMS BELONG TO. IF THE FLIGHT ATTENDANTS ARE GOING TO GET PISSY WITH ME, I’M GOING TO BE PISSY TO THEM RIGHT BACK. I DO NOT CARE IF IT WAS THE PILOT’S FAULT, THE WEATHER’S FAULT, THE CRYING KID’S FAULT, OR THE ASPHALT. IF AN AIRLINE’S FLIGHT ATTENDANTS AND CREW ARE GOING TO TREAT US CUSTOMERS LIKE CARGO AND DOOFUSES WHO ARE WILLING TO PAY ANY STUPID FEE THEY THINK THEY CAN GET AWAY WITH, THEN THEY’RE GOING TO DEAL WITH THE CONSEQUENCES OF CUSTOMERS WHO BESEECH THEM TO TREAT THEM WITH RESPECT BUT ARE NEVER GIVEN ANY TO BEGIN WITH.

    Bottom line, flight attendants: don’t screw me over, and don’t treat me like crap, and I won’t do the same thing to you.

  • R.V.

    And another thing — without the customers, the airlines are NOTHING.

  • Frank

    And, without the airlines, ENJOY YOUR ROADTRIP TO………HAWAII.

  • Amy

    I am sorry that this person flies. Perhaps until he owns his own airline, he should either charter private planes or find another mode of transportation. I am sorry that he has such a bad attitude. I only hope that it doesn’t infect the other travelers and employees he must come in contact with. And I am sorry that no one explained to him that flight attendants do not make decisions about what substances in what amounts can be carried on a plane, or assign seats, or perform maintenance on the plane, or load luggage, or have a direct line to NOAA, psychics or God so that they can always keep him informed of every possible delay to his flight.

  • Prof Burgos

    I love how the comments break — flight attendants defend flight attendants, passengers defend passengers.

    If the airlines — and by “the airlines,” I mean the CEOs AND the pilots AND the flight attendants — want passengers to treat air travel as just a particular form of public transportation, no different from riding the #6 bus, then the airlines should say so.

    The pilots’ union, the flight attendants’ union, and the CEOs should make television commercials which, instead of showing that shiny, clean, well-maintained, romantic-looking jet airliner gently turning into the setting sun over the blue Pacific, simply say, “This is our job. We get you from Point A to Point B. Quit bugging us.”

    Better still, take out full-page advertisements in the New York Times, LA Times, Washington Post, and Chicago Tribune that tell passengers exactly where their travel dollars go. What percent really does go to fuel costs? What percent goes to airline salaries? What percent goes to CEO golden parachutes? What percent goes to pilot and flight attendant pensions?

    That way, consumers can make informed choices, and we’ll stop bugging you about our obviously unreasonable consumer expectations.

    But this idea that passengers should just sit down and shut up — that they should be content being treated like mushrooms (kept in the dark and fed a bunch of sh*t) — because the poor, benighted folks who seek careers flying in aircraft say so strains the bounds of common sense.

    “If you don’t like, good luck on your drive to Hawaii.” Tee-hee.

    Hey, if you don’t like my dirty looks, get another job.

  • Frank

    I love how the comments break — flight attendants defend flight attendants, passengers defend passengers.

    If the airlines — and by “the airlines,” I mean the CEOs AND the pilots AND the flight attendants — want passengers to treat air travel as just a particular form of public transportation, no different from riding the #6 bus, then the airlines should say so
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    Got NEWS for you………………it’s been MASS TRANSPORTATION for the last 20 years. And, dont tell me you’re another “helpless” consumer who doesnt have access to know what you’re flying experience will be, was or can be.

    why WASTE $$$ on advertising? YOU want to be INFORMED???

    THERE YA GO:

    http://www.bts.gov/press_releases/2005/dot159_05/html/dot159_05.

    Pay?
    http://www.airlinepilotpay.com

    Always LOVE this reply—> Hey, if you don’t like my dirty looks, get another job.

    That’s about intelligent as saying——-> STAY HOME.

  • Prof Burgos

    Hi Frank. Tell me, who’s responsible for these?

    A Symbol of Freedom
    Life is a journey, travel it well.
    Something special in the air.
    Doing What We Do Best
    We’ll take more care of you
    We love to fly. And it shows.
    You’ll love the way we fly.
    Some people just know how to fly.
    One mission. Yours.
    A great way to fly
    More than just flying

    Let’s see — was that the CTA? Noooo. MTA? Noooo. METRA? Nooooo. Metro? Nooooo. SEPTA? Nooooo.

    Gosh, those don’t SOUND like mass transit slogans.

    They sound like….. AIRLINE slogans.

    Hey, Frank — until you and all the other air crew accept the same pay and benefits as a bus driver or a subway conductor, save your squawking. We don’t care.

  • Amy

    I am not a flight attendant, Prof, and I’ve never been one. What I will always defend, is people treating other people with respect and civility regardless of position or status. I will always support those who advocate less complaining and more compassion.

  • Frank

    On July 31st, 2008 at 1:22 pm Prof Burgos said Hi Frank. Tell me, who’s responsible for these?
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    Delusional management.

    Hey, Frank — until you and all the other air crew accept the same pay and benefits as a bus driver or a subway conductor, save your squawking. We don’t care.
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    Bummer, I have a thing called a CONTRACT. NOT AMENDABLE FOR MANY YEARS.
    You dont care? DOESNT MATTER! Now that makes YOUR COMMENT, delusional as well.

  • Mike Sabison

    I’m glad all this pissing on each other like a bunch of rabid dogs is making (especially the female flight attendents, how ladylike) you feel superior but, facts are facts. Airline travel has gone to $hit. I think all most are asking for is a reasonable amount of courtesy, and some use of common sense. Flight attendents should simply factor in some of the frustrations that customers must face in the reality that is air travel. This doesn’t justify customer rudeness, etc,.
    as some seem to be attempting here, but it should be a wake up call to the airlines. Bottom line, I think most passengers expect courtesy. I have, if even only superficially, been treated very well by the majority of the flight crew, on all my recent flights. Most of this is the airline’s fault. If I run into the rare exception, I try and ignore it. Frankly, BTW, I flew prior to 9/11 and the experience has gone down hill since, and it started prior to that date. If the airlines hadn’t been subsidized and saved by government tax payer intervention after 9/11, all the airlines would be out of buisness by now. So please, remember that without me, and others, most of the flight attendents wouldn’t have a job to complain about now if it were not for that fact. My 2 cents. Thanks

  • Arianna

    I understand all of the frustrations of passengers. What passengers need to understand about flight crew is that we are being treated just as poorly by the airlines we work for. Things have really gone down the toilet as far as management not to mention the 2 pay cuts I’ve taken in the last 6 months. I understand that people are frustrated by all of the extra fees they have to pay but that money is NOT going into my paycheck so I really don’t want to hear it. Oh, and did someone say something about pension? Seriously? Do any airline employees get pensions anymore? Not last time I checked. I also happen to know a city bus driver personally and I make a lot less and have shittier benefits.

  • Lori

    Hey Charlie,
    Most of what you are saying in your giant kavetch session (except for greeting passengers upon boarding) is out of the control of the flight attendendants. We just get through the day by grinnining and bearing it. The cabin crew is suffering more than the passengers. This is what the airline industry has come to and the cabin crew has no power to change that. I do the best I can with what little I have got and I would say that the majority of my coworkers do the same. If you can’t take what air travel has become then don’t fly!

  • tracey

    first of all as a flight att of 19 years i have seen how rude the world has truly become so selfish and downright rude. The tickets are cheap and i have taken paycuts to pay for those cheap seats time and time again. You want respect then show me respect quite touching my body while im in the isle !!! if you want my attention ring your dam call button or simply ask but do not touch any part of my body!!! you dont have the right!!!! its a true greyhound of jerks these days with no manners in any way shape or form and definitely no class and downright pure selfishness. bottom line….passengers you want respect well then respect me and comply to my faa mandated safety checks and do not i repeat do not impede with my duties as a flight att that i am mandated and required by my company and faa!!!!

  • tracey

    BOTTOM LINE ALL YOU CARNIVAL RUDE PASSENGERS OUT THERE…..YOU PAY MAYBE 200 ROUND TRIP…WELL IVE GOT NEWS FOR YOU WE MAKE OUR MONEY IN AIRLINE CARGO NOW NOT YOU AND ALL YOUR RUDENESS AND IMPEDING WITH MY DUTIES AS A FLIGHT ATTENDANT THAT IM PAID FOR TO KEEP YOUR ASS SAFE. SHOW RESPECT AND YOU WILL GET RESPECT UNTIL THEN FORGET IT AND DO NOT TOUCH ME IN ANYWAY …WE DONT WANT YOUR GERMY HANDS ON OUR BODIES AND WE DONT NEED TO HEAR YOUR ENDLESS COMPLAINTS AND WHINING GO TELL YOUR THERAPIST. ITS A CHEAP CARNIVAL UNDER THE BIG TOP THESE DAYS..FULL OF NO MANNERS NO FOLLOWING THE RULES IN ANY WAY SHAPE OR FORM. FLIGHT ATT ARE HERE FOR YOUR SAFETY AND TO SERVE YOU FOOD AND DRINKS WHICH YOU ARE UNTHANKFUL AND NOT GREATFUL FOR.

  • tracey

    PASSENGERS BEWARE….START ACTING AND DRESSING WITH RESPECT AND YOU WILL GET RESPECT QUIT ACTING LIKE CHILDISH INHUME ANIMALS WERE ALL SICK OF IT!!!! CARGO PAYS OUR PAYCHECKS NOT YOU AND YOUR 200 DOLLAR SEAT. WE DONT REALLY CARE ABOUT YOUR WHINY COMPLAINT AFTER COMPLAINT THAT IS SO STUPID IN THE FIRST PLACE…GROW UP AND ACT RIGHT SERIOUSLY, WE ARE ONLY HERE FOR YOUR SAFETY AND TO SERVE DRINKS LEAVE US ALONE AND SIT THERE AND DO NOT IMPEDE WITH OUR WORK DUTIES WE ARE ALL SICK OF IT.

  • dragon lady

    After reading all the comments to now I have come down to a conclusion. As a passenger on an airline you spend around 4-5.5 hours in the air say to go from tx to ca for around 300.00 (tx included) on cheap fairs. You expect snacks, meal, sodas, water, blanket, pillow (fluffing included).
    Now compair that to the bus same trip. cost 289.00 time 1d9hrs no attendant, bathrooms SINK OR DONT WORK, multiple stops, nasty rest stops, no snacks meal, sodas, water, blanket or pillows included in cost. You pay for all of the EXTRAS.
    Now for the train. Cost 262.00 time 30 hrs, no attendant, bathrooms I dont know about. No snacks meals, sodas extra included – pay for them out of pocket unless you get a upgrade to a two person room that has berths then they include meals,, turn down service etc but extra each way is 276.00 for a grand total of 814.00.
    No I am not in any of the industries and never was. Ret’d AF 20yrs and did a lot of traveling then. I saw the increased stress on the attendants and “doing more with less” as the military used to say. And because of it I simpathize with what is happening to them.
    Try next time you fly to watch what is happening to them, how they have to hurry arround, count how many attendants there are, how many passengers they are responsible for, think back to how there were so many attendants 5 or 10 years ago onboard and how they almost couldnt make it down the aisles without falling over eachother.
    Prices now are cheaper than they were 10 years ago when fuel was cheaper, 1/2 the time the planes were only 1/2 full and you could stretch out over two seats and the cost was running around 700 for the same flights with the same number of attendants so you could get personalized service.
    I think you will be surprised at it.

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