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	<title>Comments on: Are high-speed trains viable in the U.S.?</title>
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		<title>By: Graham</title>
		<link>http://www.consumertraveler.com/today/are-high-speed-trains-viable-in-the-us/comment-page-1/#comment-12099</link>
		<dc:creator>Graham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 May 2009 14:40:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For any form of railway to work in the USA I reckon quite a lot of population education will be required.   For a start the car is so ingrained in peoples way of thinking (except in a few cities) and the train is seen as either for freight, or slow, or old fashioned, or somewhere for a nostalgic trip (usually involving steam).   There is also the fact that usually when I see a discussion about trains in the US someone starts saying how trains will never work on transcontinental routes because they take too long.

The USA has to learn that modern passenger trains work in certain environments and not in others.   Use them in commuter corridors.   Use them where journey time station to station is 4 (maybe 5) hours at most.   Run them frequently, not just one in the morning and again in the late afternoon.   Forget transcon.   Forget stations that only get one train a day.   Forget trains that only call at 2am.

Also recognise that trains (public transport in general) are not the universal solution.   If you&#039;re at a function that finishes late in the evening somewhere in rural Montana and need to go home 50 miles you&#039;re going to either have to stay over and take public transport next day or, much, much more likely use a car.   But don&#039;t get me started on the types of car needed!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For any form of railway to work in the USA I reckon quite a lot of population education will be required.   For a start the car is so ingrained in peoples way of thinking (except in a few cities) and the train is seen as either for freight, or slow, or old fashioned, or somewhere for a nostalgic trip (usually involving steam).   There is also the fact that usually when I see a discussion about trains in the US someone starts saying how trains will never work on transcontinental routes because they take too long.</p>
<p>The USA has to learn that modern passenger trains work in certain environments and not in others.   Use them in commuter corridors.   Use them where journey time station to station is 4 (maybe 5) hours at most.   Run them frequently, not just one in the morning and again in the late afternoon.   Forget transcon.   Forget stations that only get one train a day.   Forget trains that only call at 2am.</p>
<p>Also recognise that trains (public transport in general) are not the universal solution.   If you&#8217;re at a function that finishes late in the evening somewhere in rural Montana and need to go home 50 miles you&#8217;re going to either have to stay over and take public transport next day or, much, much more likely use a car.   But don&#8217;t get me started on the types of car needed!</p>
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		<title>By: ton</title>
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		<dc:creator>ton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 May 2009 11:51:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The high speed story in europe is not all that much of a success 

that amsterdam paris link, the dutch part is 3 years later than expected (and at an massive amount more than planned) so the fast part is brussels paris. 

Al these trains require subsidies, the channel tunnel has gone bankrupt to shed debt. Even with subsidies i can fly to londen for about 120 euro, the train is 140 but that is a price which is for late arrival early return, want to have more time, sure double that price...

For this system to work in the us, forget about iron rail, go for maglev</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The high speed story in europe is not all that much of a success </p>
<p>that amsterdam paris link, the dutch part is 3 years later than expected (and at an massive amount more than planned) so the fast part is brussels paris. </p>
<p>Al these trains require subsidies, the channel tunnel has gone bankrupt to shed debt. Even with subsidies i can fly to londen for about 120 euro, the train is 140 but that is a price which is for late arrival early return, want to have more time, sure double that price&#8230;</p>
<p>For this system to work in the us, forget about iron rail, go for maglev</p>
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		<title>By: SanDiegoTim</title>
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		<dc:creator>SanDiegoTim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 May 2009 02:12:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m looking forward to the new high speed rail system in California. http://www.cahighspeedrail.ca.gov/ It was nice to see enough California voters felt the same way in November as they approved initial funding for a project that has been long in the making and appeared to be doomed just two years ago.

The plan calls for 86 daily train trips in each direction at speeds ranging from 150 - 300 mph. It would cut the driving time between San Diego to San Francisco more than half to 3:30 and cost a small fraction of an airfare. If that becomes a reality, I believe it will attract many users.

Some proponents believe high speed rail can be a profitable private venture if maglev technology is used. Since no friction occurs with maglev technology, maintenance costs are very low and the speeds are much higher. Private projects are being proposed for L.A. to Las Vegas and L.A. to San Diego http://www.shaperyenterprises.com/sdlamaglev.org/m1intro.htm</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m looking forward to the new high speed rail system in California. <a href="http://www.cahighspeedrail.ca.gov/" rel="nofollow">http://www.cahighspeedrail.ca.gov/</a> It was nice to see enough California voters felt the same way in November as they approved initial funding for a project that has been long in the making and appeared to be doomed just two years ago.</p>
<p>The plan calls for 86 daily train trips in each direction at speeds ranging from 150 &#8211; 300 mph. It would cut the driving time between San Diego to San Francisco more than half to 3:30 and cost a small fraction of an airfare. If that becomes a reality, I believe it will attract many users.</p>
<p>Some proponents believe high speed rail can be a profitable private venture if maglev technology is used. Since no friction occurs with maglev technology, maintenance costs are very low and the speeds are much higher. Private projects are being proposed for L.A. to Las Vegas and L.A. to San Diego <a href="http://www.shaperyenterprises.com/sdlamaglev.org/m1intro.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.shaperyenterprises.com/sdlamaglev.org/m1intro.htm</a></p>
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		<title>By: Ludovic Windsor</title>
		<link>http://www.consumertraveler.com/today/are-high-speed-trains-viable-in-the-us/comment-page-1/#comment-12094</link>
		<dc:creator>Ludovic Windsor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 May 2009 20:54:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Apologies, the URL above is wrong -should have been http://richmondtransits.blogspot.com/search/label/railways</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Apologies, the URL above is wrong -should have been <a href="http://richmondtransits.blogspot.com/search/label/railways" rel="nofollow">http://richmondtransits.blogspot.com/search/label/railways</a></p>
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		<title>By: Ludovic Windsor</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ludovic Windsor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 May 2009 20:42:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi,

I&#039;ve written a lot on this subjecy in my blog: http://richmondtransits.blogspot.com/tags/railways

To me, there are a few truths:
- Rail is less polluting in general (it takes less energy to move something on iron-to-iron railways), even more so if lines are electrified and electricity comes from renewables or nuclear 

-  Rail competes with air easily for distances less than 1000 km / 600 miles

- The city-centre to city-centre networks work well in dense connurbations with adequate public transport between the city centre and suburbs. When megapolis have no centre, advantages are less obvious.

- For the end-user, convenience/speed and price must be right, unlike in the UK where people choose cars because public transport fails them, despite congestion and high cost of the personal convenience called &quot;car&quot;.

- Railways are never going to turn up a profit, they need subsidies and have to be built upon long periods to become alternatives to automobiles. Just like roads and street lighting. Of course, single lines can be profitable under some cicumstances, but it&#039;s missing the point about the advantage of an integrated public transport network.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi,</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve written a lot on this subjecy in my blog: <a href="http://richmondtransits.blogspot.com/tags/railways" rel="nofollow">http://richmondtransits.blogspot.com/tags/railways</a></p>
<p>To me, there are a few truths:<br />
- Rail is less polluting in general (it takes less energy to move something on iron-to-iron railways), even more so if lines are electrified and electricity comes from renewables or nuclear </p>
<p>-  Rail competes with air easily for distances less than 1000 km / 600 miles</p>
<p>- The city-centre to city-centre networks work well in dense connurbations with adequate public transport between the city centre and suburbs. When megapolis have no centre, advantages are less obvious.</p>
<p>- For the end-user, convenience/speed and price must be right, unlike in the UK where people choose cars because public transport fails them, despite congestion and high cost of the personal convenience called &#8220;car&#8221;.</p>
<p>- Railways are never going to turn up a profit, they need subsidies and have to be built upon long periods to become alternatives to automobiles. Just like roads and street lighting. Of course, single lines can be profitable under some cicumstances, but it&#8217;s missing the point about the advantage of an integrated public transport network.</p>
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		<title>By: Tvl_Dreamer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tvl_Dreamer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 May 2009 19:10:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would love to take the train from Tacoma (Seattle) to Portland, Oregon instead of driving a few times a month for work.  The problem is the earliest I can arrive in Portland is 11am; and then there&#039;s only one train back in the evening.  

Put me in the category of wishing to take high-speed rail, or even medium speed rail.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would love to take the train from Tacoma (Seattle) to Portland, Oregon instead of driving a few times a month for work.  The problem is the earliest I can arrive in Portland is 11am; and then there&#8217;s only one train back in the evening.  </p>
<p>Put me in the category of wishing to take high-speed rail, or even medium speed rail.</p>
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		<title>By: Matthew B</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matthew B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 May 2009 15:47:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Living in NYC, commuting by subway is the only realistic option. I have used the Acela to travel to Washington once, I ordinarily fly because it is currently much cheaper to fly than go by train. I also find that the train is always crowded, I would prefer it if I could reserve a specific seat rather than buy a ticket for the class of travel. I will grant that it is much easier boarding a train at Penn Station than going to La Guardia for a shuttle, but at least the US Airways shuttle terminal has sufficient TSA screeners to get passengers through quickly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Living in NYC, commuting by subway is the only realistic option. I have used the Acela to travel to Washington once, I ordinarily fly because it is currently much cheaper to fly than go by train. I also find that the train is always crowded, I would prefer it if I could reserve a specific seat rather than buy a ticket for the class of travel. I will grant that it is much easier boarding a train at Penn Station than going to La Guardia for a shuttle, but at least the US Airways shuttle terminal has sufficient TSA screeners to get passengers through quickly.</p>
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