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		<title>By: laptop randomly freezes</title>
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		<dc:creator>laptop randomly freezes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jan 2012 07:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think they are doing the great job so that the best laptops can be seen every where. I was looking for the resource on laptops when reached here. I am glad I visited here and come to know about it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think they are doing the great job so that the best laptops can be seen every where. I was looking for the resource on laptops when reached here. I am glad I visited here and come to know about it.</p>
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		<title>By: You Lose Your 4th Amendment Rights at the Border &#171; Pirates of California &#8211; Advocates for the Emerging Information Society</title>
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		<dc:creator>You Lose Your 4th Amendment Rights at the Border &#171; Pirates of California &#8211; Advocates for the Emerging Information Society</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Jan 2011 00:25:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Ed</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Aug 2009 23:06:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s why when I travel with my laptop, I make sure that my PGP whole disk encryption is enabled and my drive is fully encrypted with triple DES encryption! Plus, I will email myself a randomly generated password so that I will not have it until I arrive at my destination! This way there is no way *ANYONE* can search my computer! (the random passkey is a minimum of 64 random characters...no possible way to memorize)
The computer will boot, but only to the point of asking for the passkey, which I can honestly say I do not have! And won&#039;t until I get to my email!
Not that I&#039;m paranoid or nothing, but it&#039;s nobody&#039;s business what is on my computer...
Ed</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s why when I travel with my laptop, I make sure that my PGP whole disk encryption is enabled and my drive is fully encrypted with triple DES encryption! Plus, I will email myself a randomly generated password so that I will not have it until I arrive at my destination! This way there is no way *ANYONE* can search my computer! (the random passkey is a minimum of 64 random characters&#8230;no possible way to memorize)<br />
The computer will boot, but only to the point of asking for the passkey, which I can honestly say I do not have! And won&#8217;t until I get to my email!<br />
Not that I&#8217;m paranoid or nothing, but it&#8217;s nobody&#8217;s business what is on my computer&#8230;<br />
Ed</p>
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		<title>By: Customs and Border Patrol agents are still randomly confiscating laptops &#8212; is yours next?</title>
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		<dc:creator>Customs and Border Patrol agents are still randomly confiscating laptops &#8212; is yours next?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Aug 2009 09:48:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] about the  program. As reported by Consumer Traveler, since CBP has ignored the request, the ACLU filed suit on August 26th, to compel the Department of Homeland Security to produce the records. There seems to be confusion [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] about the  program. As reported by Consumer Traveler, since CBP has ignored the request, the ACLU filed suit on August 26th, to compel the Department of Homeland Security to produce the records. There seems to be confusion [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Nathan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nathan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Aug 2009 21:57:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My father is a recently retired CBP officer working at a land border. I asked him about this.

He says that the law is clear: when you cross the border to enter the US, or land at an airport or seaport after an international plane or boat trip, you have not been admitted to the US yet. The Fourth Amendment does not apply completely, specifically the agent does not need a warrant or probable cause to search you or your belongings accompanying you (luggage, car, etc.). However, the search must be &quot;reasonable&quot;, and any search of your person (i.e. body search) must be based on &quot;reasonable suspicion&quot;. This is not mearly CPB policy or opinon, but in fact settled law based on U.S. Supreme Court rulings (this last part, I looked up myself).

Lyn Greenhill, you are correct that when you cross the border you are protected from &quot;unreasonable&quot; search and seizure, but the agents are simply not legally required to have a warrant. They must mearly conduct &quot;reasonable&quot; searches (if you&#039;re saying that any such search is not reasonable without a warrant or probable cause, it suffices to say that the courts disagree).

Now, with respect to laptops, the legal question is whether searching electronic materials requires &quot;reasonable suspicion&quot; (as distinct from mearly a reasonably initiated and conducted search, which is always required), that is, should such searches be regarded as invasive enough to be treated as equivalent to a body search. That is, can CPB agents search your laptop without &quot;reasonable suspicion&quot; (i.e. without any suspicion needed for justification). From what I&#039;ve learned, no serious legal argument is being made that would require a warrant or probable cause to search laptops at a border crossing (at least no serious legal argument that has not already been rejected by the courts), notwithstanding the ACLU press release.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My father is a recently retired CBP officer working at a land border. I asked him about this.</p>
<p>He says that the law is clear: when you cross the border to enter the US, or land at an airport or seaport after an international plane or boat trip, you have not been admitted to the US yet. The Fourth Amendment does not apply completely, specifically the agent does not need a warrant or probable cause to search you or your belongings accompanying you (luggage, car, etc.). However, the search must be &#8220;reasonable&#8221;, and any search of your person (i.e. body search) must be based on &#8220;reasonable suspicion&#8221;. This is not mearly CPB policy or opinon, but in fact settled law based on U.S. Supreme Court rulings (this last part, I looked up myself).</p>
<p>Lyn Greenhill, you are correct that when you cross the border you are protected from &#8220;unreasonable&#8221; search and seizure, but the agents are simply not legally required to have a warrant. They must mearly conduct &#8220;reasonable&#8221; searches (if you&#8217;re saying that any such search is not reasonable without a warrant or probable cause, it suffices to say that the courts disagree).</p>
<p>Now, with respect to laptops, the legal question is whether searching electronic materials requires &#8220;reasonable suspicion&#8221; (as distinct from mearly a reasonably initiated and conducted search, which is always required), that is, should such searches be regarded as invasive enough to be treated as equivalent to a body search. That is, can CPB agents search your laptop without &#8220;reasonable suspicion&#8221; (i.e. without any suspicion needed for justification). From what I&#8217;ve learned, no serious legal argument is being made that would require a warrant or probable cause to search laptops at a border crossing (at least no serious legal argument that has not already been rejected by the courts), notwithstanding the ACLU press release.</p>
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		<title>By: Lyn Greenhill</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lyn Greenhill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Aug 2009 16:26:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just because the CBP believe they have &quot;the right&quot; to sieze and search electronic devices from travelers coming into the country doesn&#039;t make it legal.  As a US citizen, entering the US should automatically protect me from unreasonable search and siezure as per the 4th amendment.  Either they have a warrant or keep their rubber gloved hands off my notebook.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just because the CBP believe they have &#8220;the right&#8221; to sieze and search electronic devices from travelers coming into the country doesn&#8217;t make it legal.  As a US citizen, entering the US should automatically protect me from unreasonable search and siezure as per the 4th amendment.  Either they have a warrant or keep their rubber gloved hands off my notebook.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Aug 2009 14:47:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Charlie ...This will be an interesting case to watch. Especially since CBP basically has the right to search anything crossing the border or deny entry.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Charlie &#8230;This will be an interesting case to watch. Especially since CBP basically has the right to search anything crossing the border or deny entry.</p>
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		<title>By: ACLU joins the fight against warrentless laptop searches by &#8230; &#171; Blogging</title>
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		<dc:creator>ACLU joins the fight against warrentless laptop searches by &#8230; &#171; Blogging</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Aug 2009 14:33:41 +0000</pubDate>
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