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Kairho
06-15-2007, 09:47 AM
Turnabout is fair play so here are a dozen (equal time, of course) from the left:

Socialist oceanographer, the late Jacques Cousteau, "In order to stabilize world population, we must eliminate 350,000 people per day. It is a horrible thing to say, but it is just as bad not to say it."
President Bill Clinton, August 12, 1993, "If the personal freedoms guaranteed by the Constitution inhibit the government's ability to govern the people, we should look to limit those guarantees."
Vermont State Senator Mary Ann Carlson, "We must be able to arrest people before they commit crimes. By registering guns and knowing who has them we can do that. If they have guns they are pretty likely to commit a crime."
Norman Thomas, six-time Socialist Party presidential candidate and one of the founders of the ACLU, "The American people will never knowingly adopt socialism, but under the name of liberalism they will adopt every fragment of the socialist program until one day America will be a socialist nation without ever knowing how it happened."
"Reverend" Jesse Jackson and his gang of thugs to Black conservative J. L. Peterson, when he tried to speak at an L.A. Trade Bureau Forum meeting, "Suck my ****, you stupid ******. Shut the ***** up, and get your black *** out of here, ******!."
Michael Moore, "The Iraqis who have risen up against the occupation are not 'insurgents' or 'terrorists' or 'The Enemy.' They are the REVOLUTION, the Minutemen, and their numbers will grow -- and they will win."
Joycelyn Elders, 1993, "We must stop this love affair with the fetus."
Former Democratic Congressman Peter Hoagland, "Fundamental, Bible-believing people do not have the right to indoctrinate their children in their religious beliefs because we, the state, are preparing them for the year 2000, when America will be part of a one-world global society and their children will not fit in."
Newly elected president of that hot-bed of collectivist agitation, The World Council of Churches, Andrew Young, "[I]t may take the destruction of Western Civilization to allow the rest of the world to really emerge as a free and brotherly society."
USA Today Columnist Julianne Malveaux on Justice Clarence Thomas, "I hope his wife feeds him lots of eggs and butter and he dies early like many black men do, of heart disease. ... He is an absolutely reprehensible person."
U.S. Attorney General Janet Reno, December 1993, "Waiting periods are only a step. Registration is only a step. The prohibition of private firearms is the goal."
Hillary Clinton, 1993, "We must stop thinking of the individual and start thinking about what is best for society."

greenearth
06-15-2007, 10:21 AM
Again when things are taken out of context they sound worse then what was actually said-

The Iraqis who have risen up against the occupation are not "insurgents" or "terrorists" or "The Enemy." They are the REVOLUTION, the Minutemen, and their numbers will grow -- and they will win. Get it, Mr. Bush? You closed down a friggin' weekly newspaper, you great giver of freedom and democracy! Then all hell broke loose. The paper only had 10,000 readers! Why are you smirking?

tdew
06-15-2007, 12:45 PM
Thanks Kairo,

I think most people I know are somewhere in between these two extremes.

clarkef
06-15-2007, 12:58 PM
Thanks Kairho,

An excellent post. I believe that most people are in the middle. I also firmly believe that the far right and far left are nearly indistinguishable as far as hate mongering and intolerance.

Having been called a bad Christian for supporting Al Gore in 2000 and a bad African American for being conservative, I have no use for either extremes.

mercwyn
06-15-2007, 02:57 PM
Clarkef, you are a bad Christian? That's one that won't fly. I've never set eyes on you and I know better then that. You are Christian through and through and unlike some who claim the name, you actually seem to try to apply Christ's teachings to your life everyday.

I didn't know that all Afro-Americans had to be liberal, anymore then all white men have to be conservative. I have to admit that I get tired of the stereotypes and the assumptions people make based on appearance or profession or faith. I was once told that all anytime one makes a sweeping generalization that one is going to have people point out the errors of the statement.

clarkef
06-15-2007, 03:25 PM
Thanks for the kind words. I really appreciate them.

Ned
06-15-2007, 05:40 PM
Great post K.

DCTravelAgent
06-18-2007, 02:10 PM
Here's the problem - most people refuse to admit that there are idiots on both sides and that there are good people on both sides. You're not a "bad" person because we disagree on one or two or even three or four things.

I'm left of center, but not really that far left - I have as much respect for Michael Moore as I do for Rush Limbaugh - and that would be not much. I don't like "blowhards" of any stripe.

greenearth
06-18-2007, 02:30 PM
Here's the problem - most people refuse to admit that there are idiots on both sides and that there are good people on both sides. You're not a "bad" person because we disagree on one or two or even three or four things.

I'm left of center, but not really that far left - I have as much respect for Michael Moore as I do for Rush Limbaugh - and that would be not much. I don't like "blowhards" of any stripe.

However if there would not be any of these so called idiots like M Moore (who I actually think has done some good) and idiots like Limbaugh you would never get anything. You need to have extremes to have some balance. If not womens rights would not happen, slavery would still be here, etc... you get my idea I hope.

clarkef
06-25-2007, 07:02 AM
In case anyone was still confused about which way the media tilts, as with global warming, the debate is over.

MSNBC.com identified 143 journalists who made political contributions from 2004 through the start of the 2008 campaign, according to the public records of the Federal Election Commission. Most of the newsroom checkbooks leaned to the left: 125 journalists gave to Democrats and liberal causes. Only 16 gave to Republicans. Two gave to both parties.
By my calculation, that comes to 87.4 percent which curiously is the same percentage of blacks ( the single most democratic constituency in the country) who voted for John Kerry in the past presidential election.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19113485/

Ned
06-25-2007, 07:30 AM
The MSNBC report says two things to me.

First, it confirms what already seemed clear to me, that many of the reports of MSNBC have a liberal bias. Frankly, I thought that was pretty obvious.

If you want some reports from a conservative bias, go over to ABC news, where I'd bet the contributions are at least more even handed between right and left, but I'd put my money on more money to the right.

I've pretty much given up both sources of hard news because I've got too work to hard figuring out what's behind their reporting.

Second, journalists at MSNBC, and elsewhere need to hold themselves to a higher standard. Some of the nonsense out of the mouths of these reporters, such as one who said their contribution to the national party of their choice wasn't a "political campaign" contribution, because it didn't go to any specific campaign of a person, boggles the mind. Frankly, I would considering firing that person for either complete and utter stupidity, or simply lying. It has to be one or the other.

In today's day and age, we have lost the impartiality of our journalists, even on our best newspapers and other news outlets. The difference between news and editorial has been blurred, in some cases beyond recognition.

I would submit, however, that there is plenty of right leaning media too, and today, as always, "readers" must sift through the truth.

In case anyone was still confused about which way the media tilts, as with global warming, the debate is over.MSNBC.com identified 143 journalists who made political contributions from 2004 through the start of the 2008 campaign, according to the public records of the Federal Election Commission. Most of the newsroom checkbooks leaned to the left: 125 journalists gave to Democrats and liberal causes. Only 16 gave to Republicans. Two gave to both parties.By my calculation, that comes to 87.4 percent which curiously is the same percentage of blacks ( the single most democratic constituency in the country) who voted for John Kerry in the past presidential election.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19113485/

clarkef
06-25-2007, 11:07 AM
I agree, I'D fire that guy because either he is stupid, or he thinks we are.

My perspectives


NBC, hard left
CNN, Less hard left,
CBS, less left now that Dan Rather (whom I like and respect) is gone.
ABC - No idea. Just don't watch it
Fox - I don't watch it very much. O'Reilly is on the right, but not in a partisan way.
Talk Radio - Far RightI worked for a newspaper during my senior year in HS. That experience was sufficient to end my aspirations of being a journalist. Nothing resembling Fair and Balanced coverage occured there.

My solution has been to read a variety of sources. I'll read the SF Chronicle AND watch a little Fox, as well as the local news. I figure between them I might get some truth.

greenearth
06-25-2007, 11:33 AM
I agree, I'D fire that guy because either he is stupid, or he thinks we are.

My perspectives

NBC, hard left
CNN, Less hard left,
CBS, less left now that Dan Rather (whom I like and respect) is gone.
ABC - No idea. Just don't watch it
Fox - I don't watch it very much. O'Reilly is on the right, but not in a partisan way.
Talk Radio - Far Right
Most media with the exception of some very left sources like Pacifica network or PBS-shock media. Not hard left or right.
Paris Hilton
White beautiful women missing then found out murdered by spouses
This is the kind of crap that is on the news.
The Iraq war is no longer headlines. Neither are issues like real politics.

Ned
06-25-2007, 03:20 PM
I agree, I'D fire that guy because either he is stupid, or he thinks we are.

I think your perspective on that is closer to reality than mine. I think you're right, in your second clause; he has little or no respect for his audience.

My perspectives
NBC, hard left
CNN, Less hard left,
CBS, less left now that Dan Rather (whom I like and respect) is gone.
ABC - No idea. Just don't watch it
Fox - I don't watch it very much. O'Reilly is on the right, but not in a partisan way.
Talk Radio - Far RightAgreed generally about NBC (perhaps MSNBC even more), in fact, they may actually be extreme left these days. I know this, I'm pretty far over on the left, except on financial matter, and they are way, way past me on the left on all issues.

You're right about CNN, except they do have some on the right which pull them toward the center.

I look at CBS as pretty centrist, and the best of the big four at being willing to present multiple sides of an issue.

ABC to me is right, especially now with Jennings gone, although I must admit he left me wondering about his point of view, except with regard to the Middle East where he was decided anti-Israel/Pro Arab, and made no bones about it. He spoke about the Palestinian Freedom Fighters all the time, and the Israeli thugs.

Fox, I believe leans to the right, not far, but they're definitely not at all on the left, especially with financial matters, on which they are the most conservative of the networks. What bothers me about Fox is that they rarely allow more than one point of view to be expressed about any issue, regardless of what side of the issue they're on.

PBS, on social issues is decidedly on the left, and on financial issues rarely has a clue about them anyway, so which way they stand is irrelevant. What makes them really good anyway is the depth they go to when explaining an issue and presenting the facts about it. While they often color the report, the facts often pop through anyway due to the integrity of the reporters and the depth of the reports and the time alloted for the broadcasts. They aren't forced to only take two to three minutes per report before they have to break for an advertisement. That gives them a really advantage at being able to have a solid report.

Talk radio is mostly on the right, but there are more and more left leaning talk shows coming online.

I worked for a newspaper during my senior year in HS. That experience was sufficient to end my aspirations of being a journalist. Nothing resembling Fair and Balanced coverage occured there.

I had a better experience in college on the newspaper. For one thing, when hiring people the editors looked primarily at competence, not point of view in their reporters. If our facts were correct, and we paid at least some reasonable attention to opposing views, and our grammar was decent, we could report things as we wished. As a result, readers got a taste of both sides.

My solution has been to read a variety of sources. I'll read the SF Chronicle AND watch a little Fox, as well as the local news. I figure between them I might get some truth.

You right about this. It's the only way to go if you want to be informed. I don't watch much Network News, but when I do it's mostly a combo of CNN and Fox. I look at the others on occasion, when there is a big story going on. CNN and Fox have the best reporting between them these days. I watch no local news except for sports, because they're basically incompetent. I read the Philadelphia Inquirer which has become middle of the road since its sale from Knight to a local group. I agree with their editorials about 40-50% of the time, so I think that's good. In part it means I've getting a variety of views, so I'm better informed. I read the Wall Street Journal, cover to cover every day, and they're sure not on the left. I also read at least part of the Christian Science Monitor each week. I want to know what the other side of the coin is thinking. I rarely agree with their point of view, but it's always well thought out and clearly written. I also read Slate Magazine online daily.

I'm still left of middle, on social issues, but that's mostly experiential, and doubtless won't change. The same goes for my right of middle position on fiscal issues.

DCTravelAgent
06-25-2007, 03:36 PM
I listen to CSPAN radio often on Sunday mornings - very interesting. I like NPR because they really do go in-depth and they almost always do a good job of presenting both sides. Sometimes they don't do both sides in one day though - they'll do the Palestinians on Monday and the Israelis on Tuesday - if you're not a regular listener, you're bound to come away thinking they're biased if you only listen the one day. Actually, they were accused of treating Michael Moore badly last week!!!! ;)

clarkef
06-25-2007, 07:02 PM
You know, when you are so cemented in a viewpoint, you actually forget that your viewpoint is necessarily centrist.

My social views tend to be all over the place, which gives me greater insight in seeing other perspectives, but in financial matters, they are staunchly to the right. So is Fox news, and I failed to account for that in my analysis of the network. Neil Cavuto makes no bones about being a strict free market person.

In the financial sector, my suspicious in that Fox probably doesn't even pretend that leftist economics are much more than voodoo.

Ned
06-26-2007, 11:51 AM
Clarke, do you think my social views to be Centrist? I really thought of them as being left of center for the most part, but rarely extreme. In a few cases I would even call them conservative, with regard to my position of the individuals' need to take personal responsibility for their actions.

I will say that my perception of your social positions are generally eclectic.

Ships 'N' Trips Travel
06-26-2007, 10:25 PM
President Bill Clinton, August 12, 1993, "If the personal freedoms guaranteed by the Constitution inhibit the government's ability to govern the people, we should look to limit those guarantees."
I wonder how many Founding Fathers got dizzy spinning in their graves over this one ... we should NEVER look at limiting those guarantees ... it is SUPPOSED to be hard on the government. The Constitution is about protecting the people, not protecting the government. :huh:

Here's the problem - most people refuse to admit that there are idiots on both sides and that there are good people on both sides.
You forgot about the idiots that can be found in the middle too. :D