What does Arizona’s new immigration law mean to travelers in Arizona?

by Ned Levi on May 3, 2010

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Citing border violence and crime due to illegal immigration, Arizona has enacted a new immigration law, widely considered to be the toughest immigration legislation in the nation. As amended, it requires police officers, if they have a “reasonable suspicion” a person is an illegal alien, following a lawful stop, detention or arrest of the person, to determine whether the person is in the U.S. legally, and arrest them if they are not.

My question is, “Does the new Arizona law affect travelers, including US citizens and legal residents, traveling to, or through Arizona, and if yes, how?”

Many people expressed strong objections to the law, and as a result Arizona quickly amended it, but the amendments haven’t mitigated the objections of the majority of the law’s opponents.

This law has raised many questions. Is the law constitutional? Does the law make sense? Will the law cause the police to use racial profiling? Does the law target the Hispanic community?

While a discussion of these questions could prove interesting, they are not the subject of this column. That being said, it is necessary to examine the new law and consider statements of both proponents and opponents of it to determine the possible effect of the law’s enforcement on travelers in Arizona.

The bill, signed into the new immigration law, was Arizona Senate Bill 1070. Since being enacted, it’s been amended with a few key provisions, which more clearly define the law’s requirements.

The law states that if you’re in Arizona, having entered the U.S. illegally, you are guilty of criminal trespass, which allows police officers throughout Arizona to arrest you, and, if you’re found guilty of that and/or other offenses, turn you over to federal immigration authorities once your Arizona sentence is completed.

Critics of the new amended immigration law state that Arizona police officers, under strong public pressure to find and arrest illegal aliens, could identify people by race, then look for some minor infraction, such as loitering, as an excuse to investigate their immigration/citizenship status.

Arizona State Senator Russell Pearce, the law’s primary sponsor, says, “Illegal is illegal. Illegal’s not a race, it’s a crime. … And in Arizona, we’re going to enforce the law.”

It would appear that the pressure from Arizona citizens to take action against illegal aliens in the state is enormous, and this new law contains a powerful weapon aimed at police departments who don’t vigorously pursue the requirements of this law. Article 8, Part G of the law, empowers Arizona citizens to sue any police department across the state who they feel “adopts or implements a policy that limits or restricts the enforcement” of immigration laws.

Critics of the law explain, it takes only one person, or one outspoken anti-illegal immigrant group to sue police. They conclude therefore, the law may induce police misconduct to avoid citizen law suits, which could cost as much as $5K per day, especially in these difficult times for local government budgets.

Tucson, Arizona, police officer Martin H. Escobar is suing Arizona in federal court, asking that local law enforcement be exempt from enforcing the state’s new immigration law. Officer Escobar stated there are no “race neutral criteria or basis to suspect or identify who is lawfully in the United States,” including a person’s English skills, skin color, clothing, or the type of vehicle driven.

On the other hand, Arizona Governor Jan Brewer said, “These new amendments make it crystal clear and undeniable that racial profiling is illegal and will not be tolerated in Arizona.”

Referring to the change in the immigration law where police can stop suspected illegal aliens only while enforcing some other law or ordinance, Clarissa Martinez De Castro speaking for the National Council of La Raza, said, “The [current] practice doesn’t reflect what the law is. And if the governor is saying that racial profiling is not going to be tolerated, why has it been tolerated so far?”

So what does all of this mean for a traveler in Arizona?

Anyone, or any traveler stopped by the police for any reason, in Arizona, can lead to questioning about their citizenship, and/or immigration status. Travelers to Arizona can be required to prove their status, even if they are U.S. citizens.

Travelers from outside the U.S., generally have passports with a U.S. entry stamp proving they’re in the U.S. legally. Travelers from Mexico, will also typically have a passport with an entry stamp, or they may have a B1/B2 visa/Border Crossing Card, also known as a “laser visa.” Generally, international travelers in Arizona carry documentation to prove their immigration status.

U.S. legal resident aliens, and especially U.S. citizens, normally don’t carry proof of their immigration status or citizenship, when traveling domestically. In fact, most U.S. citizens don’t even have proof of citizenship. Fewer than 22% of Americans have passports, and probably fewer than 30% have “certified” birth certificates. Most Americans only have “hospital” birth certificates. U.S. Citizens could carry their passport, passport card, certified birth certificate if born in the U.S., or naturalization papers to prove citizenship, but that would be a first for U.S. citizens, traveling in their own country, to have to prove citizenship.

After reviewing the new law, and carefully considering the statements of the law’s supporters and critics, especially if you’re a swarthy skinned traveler in Arizona, I’d recommend you carry proof of U.S. citizenship or legal immigration status to avoid possible detention, if this law goes into effect.

Travel agents with whom I’ve spoken are unanimous, that if the law goes into effect, they will add a strongly worded advisory, to all client invoices and itineraries for travel to or through Arizona, to carry proof of citizenship or legal immigration status.

I intend to follow that advice myself.

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  • http://www.tripso.com/author/leocha Charlie Leocha

    All of us carry drivers licenses. That is our defacto national ID card for the moment. We need it to get on planes. We need it to cash checks. We need it to use our credit cards in many cases. We need it to drive through Arizona (or any state for that matter) safely if stopped by the police. Please, I don’t think you need to carry your birth certificate around with you. That’s a bit over the top.

    If a cop stopped you driving across any state in the nation, they would probably take you in for driving without a license (and suspicion of theft) if you couldn’t produce a drivers license and registration when asked. That’s not racist, just the way it is.

  • Roxie

    Take a look at Mexico’s immigration laws. See how strict they are? Note how they don’t offer ANY social services to anyone who immigrates? Why are they complaining about us cracking down on their problems that spill into our country?
    Illegals are a problem. Go an emergency room in Texas and you’ll see them lined up for their FREE medical care for anything from a sniffle to their fifth illegal child. It’s ridiculous and I’m sick of paying for it!!!

  • JoeInAtlanta

    Charlie: A driver’s license is not proof of citizenship. And the crux of the issue is that Arizona law enforcement would be at their own discretion as to whether to accept a driver’s license in lieu of proof of citizenship — a discretion that they be less generous in applying to brown people than to white and black people.

    Roxie: (1) You’re off topic; this column is about travel documentation, not politics. (2) There’s no such thing as an “illegal child.” Every child born within the borders of the United States is a U.S. citizen and is entitled to every opportunity our country has to offer. And shame on you for your willingness to see sick children suffer. We Americans are some of the most fortunate people in the world; it is tragic that some among us are also the most selfish.

  • http://www.tripso.com/author/ned/ Ned Levi

    Charlie, if a police officer stopped me for speeding (for this example, I am speeding) in any state in the US, including Arizona, and asked to see my driver’s license, the vehicle’s registration, and the insurance card, that would not be racist. If I couldn’t produce those documents and I was written up for further violations, that wouldn’t be racist. If at that point, the police officer decided to determine if I was an illegal alien, since I couldn’t produce any required ID, I wouldn’t consider that racist either.

    That being said, a state issued driver’s license is not considered proof of citizenship or legal residency in the US, at this time. It isn’t very hard to get a driver’s license in many states, even if you’re an illegal alien.

    Real ID was created by Congress to turn state driver’s licenses into an ID which could be used domestically as a proof of citizenship or legal US residency. Real ID hasn’t worked out so well for Congress, as the original deadline for compliance has had to be pushed to 2011, and considering 25 states (half the country) have approved either resolutions or binding legislation not to participate in the program, with resolutions or binding legislation in 15 more being considered, to do the same, this law is in serious trouble.

    So right now, having a state ID or state driver’s license doesn’t disprove one is an illegal alien.

    Continuing on with the example, if the same police officer asked me for my IDs, having stopped me for speeding, and I gave them to him, and then he decided to determine if I was an illegal alien, because I had a dark complexion and didn’t speak English very well, I would consider that racist, as his “reasonable suspicion” would be based on race, unlike in the first example. I think officer Escobar has it right.

    More important, for our readers at Consumer Traveler, whether this is a bad law or not, I think travel agents are right, recommending that if the law does get implemented, that their clients need to be aware of it, and be able to provide proof of US citizenship, legal residency, or legal immigration status, while traveling in or through Arizona. Why ruin a vacation or kill a business deal, because you were caught up in this law and couldn’t immediately prove you were in Arizona legally.

  • http://www.tripso.com/author/leocha Charlie Leocha

    From Oregon [http://www.oregonlive.com/opinion/index.ssf/2010/05/immigration_debate_opponents_s.html] Arizona’s law does not require anyone, alien or otherwise, to carry a driver’s license. Rather, it gives any alien with a license a free pass if his immigration status is in doubt. Because Arizona allows only lawful residents to obtain licenses, an officer must presume that someone who produces one is legally in the country.

    No need to get travelers upset about what ifs. Plus, we are three months from enforcement of this new law.

  • MidMom8949

    I plan to avoid Arizona.

  • http://www.perceptivetravel.com Perceptive Traveler

    I would be scared to death of going to Arizona now if I looked Hispanic and I certainly wouldn’t talk to the police about anything, including a crime I may have witnessed. I’m voting with my wallet and avoiding this state completely until this law gets overturned in court, the same way I avoid Burma and Cuba. How many other travel writers, editors, and convention planners will do the same…?

  • Cliff Woodrick

    I am planning to travel to Arizona because this state is willing to confront the issue of criminals in our immediate vicinity. Yes – an illegal immigrant is a criminal as stated in the US Code. I am willing to support any state who is willing to address this issue since Congress is afraid of a Hispanic back lash. I was upset to see the flag of Mexico at these protest demonstrations.

    I carry a Drivers license plus my Retired Navy ID card. Personally I feel that a biometric NATIONAL ID should be required for all citizens.

    Have a wonderful day – Cliff

  • DaveS

    I am caucasian, but certainly could be mistaken for Hispanic. I would not go to Arizona. I think the risk is too high that I could be stopped for any minor infraction and unable to prove citizenship. Sure I have a driver’s license from my own state, but that is no proof of citizenship. As others have said, it is easy enough to get a fake driver’s license. Cross Arizona off my travel list for now.

  • Julie

    Good for Arizona. When immigrants come to the US and become US citizens and are “proud to be American” it is a good thing. When illigal immigrants come to the US and live off the system while complaining how bad are treated and fly thier nations flag, they have no business in the US. Be proud to be US or leave.

  • Jeff L

    Again, the majority of people (sorry), seem to be missing the point. Yes, there is an illegal immigration problem, especially in AZ. Yes, the federal government has failed to resolve this issue for over 30 years. Yes, the state is within it’s rights to do something. That doesn’t mean, politics aside, this is a badly written law.

    1> It offers no guidelines as to what constitutes probable cause, leaving that decision up to individual officers, most of whom do not have appropriate training, which provides a huge window for abuse. Whether or not the law itself is racist, just based on averages, some officers are. And there are no provisions for penalties for misuse,

    2> It allows any citizen to sue a department if they THINK the law is not being enforced. This leaves another huge window for abuse with people who have a gripe with the PD (don’t give me that ticket or I will sue the department)

    3> From a constitutional standpoint, it violates presumption of innocence. It’s up to the state to prove someone is NOT a citizen (based on the definition of the crime) as opposed to the person proving they are. This alone means the law will most likely be nullified on the first challenge, at great time and expense to the state.

    If, instead of a knee-jerk reaction, AZ had taken the time to write a properly crafted law, with the appropriate protections, enforcement of those protections, and clear guidelines, we not only wouldn’t be having this conversation, we would probably be praising them for a solid solution (other immigration issues aside).

    We also need to quickly address the shear amount of mis-information about illegal immigrants. 1> Unless their children are born here, they are not eligible for schooling, medical care, etc. If they are born here, they are citizens and have the same rights as any other (another point this law does not address, btw). 2> Technically, illegal immigrants are not entitled to ER care. However, since ERs are not permitted by law to refuse service, and have no way of easily verifying citizenship with the federal govt (even I don’t expect someone to worry about carrying papers if their head is bleeding), they usually just let it go for speed’s sake. 3> They are also not eligible for most other social services, often obtaining those through the use of stolen SSNs, which is an entirely different issue)

  • Arizona Road Warrior

    There are three problems. The first problem is that the federal government has not secured the borders. The second problem is that the federal government has not dealt with illegal aliens. The third problem is that the federal government has not dealt with immigration. These problems have been going on for 30 years. Politicians from both parties have not dealt with the problem for a variety of reasons. Some of the reasons are being accused of being racists, alienating voters, etc.

    The federal government has not dealt with immigration and the illegal aliens for more than 30 years. When ‘amnesty’ was granted back in the 80’s, it only caused the problem to become bigger because the borders were still unsecured and nothing was implemented to deal with illegal aliens that came to the country after the amnesty granted to the existing illegal aliens. These ‘amnesty programs’ basically told the world, “disregard our immigration laws, come to the country illegally and we will grant you citizenship eventually.” Several of the 9/11 terrorists were in violation of the immigration laws (i.e. expired visas, student visas but were not enrolled in school, etc.). The federal government failed to enforce the current immigration laws.

    The sheriff of Pima County said that the AZ law isn’t necessary because there is the federal law. However, the federal laws have not enforced; there is a lack of personnel; lack of resources; the fence on the AZ border has not been built; etc. Furthermore, the Justice Department under the Obama administration took away the rights of the Maricopa County Sheriff Department to enforce the federal laws.
    Last year, Pima County captured and returned 240,000 illegal aliens to Mexico which state and federal officials are estimating that 240,000 is only 25% of the actual illegal aliens that traveled through Pima County last year.

    The border between Mexico and California became more ‘secured’ so now most of the illegal aliens crossing are now between Mexico and Arizona border where the border is less ‘secured’. In broad daylight, you can’t even hike the trails in the state and federal parks in southern AZ because of the drug trafficking and people smuggling activities. The parks, the desert, etc. are full of trash and people packing guns. Last Friday, a sheriff duty was shot by a group of five individuals when he came across two bales of marijuana in the desert.

    Phoenix is the kidnapping capital…most of these kidnappings is related to illegal aliens involve in drugs and smuggling activities. Last year, there were 94,000 reported crimes in PHX with a population of 1.4 MM; whereas, NYC had 103,000 crimes with a population of 8.3 MM (sources: the respective city website). We (the state of Arizona and the cities in AZ) are spending millions of dollars a year on crimes committed by illegal aliens.

    The insurance companies are spending millions of dollars a year for claims when there are car accidents involving illegal aliens. In addition, the citizens are paying more for car insurance. Back in 2006, a truck driven by an illegal alien hit my vehicle…no insurance, no driver license, no local address.

    We are spending millions of dollars a year for education of illegal aliens. In the Tucson school district, they are estimating that 1 in every 10 children are illegal aliens. We are spending millions of dollars a year to provide free healthcare to these illegal aliens.
    Most of the illegal aliens are not paying taxes or their full share of taxes since most are paid in cash, paid off the books, buy merchandise for cash at flea markets, garage sales, etc. The bottom line is that the state of AZ can’t afford to provide services to the 460,000+ illegal aliens nor can the USA can provide services to the 18 MM illegal aliens.

    Given the events of this past weekend in NYC, we need to secure our borders and finishing building the walls on our borders. If not, it will only be time before terrorists will be coming through our southern border.

    The first solution is to secure border. Once the border is secured then the federal government can start to address the problem with the illegal aliens that are living in the USA.

    It is a safety issue. It is an economic issue. It is a national security issue.

  • SirWired

    Charlie, while most people carry a driver’s license or equivalent identity card around all the time, it is by no means universal. We, as a country, have NEVER required citizens to carry documentation with them at all times. It is true that aliens are required to carry documentation, but citizens are not.

    What does a teenager who is not even eligible for a license do if stopped on the street? Most teenagers do not bother to obtain DMV-issued ID cards, nor should they.

    Expiration dates for licenses are not tied to visa expiration, so a visitor could simply obtain a valid visa (like a student visa), establish an address, and get a license good for many years.

    “Arizona’s law does not require anyone, alien or otherwise, to carry a driver’s license. Rather, it gives any alien with a license a free pass if his immigration status is in doubt. Because Arizona allows only lawful residents to obtain licenses, an officer must presume that someone who produces one is legally in the country.” Ok, so a license gets you a free pass… but the law still effectively requires you to carry one. Since an SSN card is stupidly easy to forge (and not valid as identification), what form of identification do you propose US citizens carry if they don’t have a license? How is that in any way legal?

  • ivnprt

    Does this mean that if I have a connecting flight in Phoenix, Arizona and while at the airport terminal an officer stops me and asks for proof of US citizenship and all I have is my drivers license he can arrest me right there and then ?

  • Peter

    To quote virtually every Nazi officer in every WWII movie: “Papieren bitte.” Nice precedent. (Arizona seems to be a lovely place full of ugly people.)

  • http://www.tripso.com/author/ned/ Ned Levi

    Hi Ivnprt,

    No, I don’t think so. If you are wandering in the airport, for example, merely going from one gate to another you should have no trouble.

    The way they’ve defined the law you’ve got to first have been subject to a lawful stop, detention or arrest for something other than being an illegal alien. Only then, if the officer’s suspicious of whether or not you’re in the country illegally can he require proof you’re in the country legally.

    The other thing is, are you talking about TSA or the local or state police. TSA is not required to carry out Arizona law.

    I may have misgivings about the law, and serious concerns about its provisions, but I don’t think that all of a sudden the police are going to go berserk hunting down illegal aliens in every corner of the state.

    That being said, I took to heart the Boy Scout motto, “Be Prepared” long ago. I’d hate to accidentally get caught up in anything, so if I go to Arizona, if the law goes into effect, I’ll have proof of citizenship with me, just in case, but I’m a Caucasian, almost senior (I’ve got a few years to go.), so I doubt I’ll be asked by anyone if I’m “legal.”

  • Bodega

    but I’m a Caucasian, almost senior (I’ve got a few years to go.), so I doubt I’ll be asked by anyone if I’m “legal.”
    *********************************************************
    This statement shows exactly the issue and concern we should all have with this plan in AZ.

  • Joel Wechsler

    @Arizona Road Warrior assuming I agreed with everything you said, you still did not address the legitimate issues raised by @Jeff L.

  • http://www.tripso.com/author/ned/ Ned Levi

    Bodega, you are exactly right, but while I have those concerns too, I wrote the column with the intent to concentrate more on the practical issues for travelers, instead of the political issues, which, of course, can’t be entirely avoided.

    For those who want to discuss the political issues more fully, I invite you to head over to our CT forums. We’ve been discussing the Arizona law for several days in a lively back and forth. You can get to the discussion at: http://www.consumertraveler.com/forum/showthread.php?t=29002

    You have to join to post. It’s free to become a member. Many of today’s comments come from members.

  • PauletteB

    Maybe some of us are sick of people like Roxie. Can I get a law passed to kick them out of the country?

  • PauletteB

    @ Peter: Well said!

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  • Adele

    There is a border patrol checkpoint on all major highways leading out of El Paso into the rest of Texas and New Mexico- there has been for years. Everyone is pulled over and asked, “Are you a US citizen?” While you are not required to prove with your passport that you are a US citizen, you may be asked other questions, such as, “Where do you live? How long were you in El Paso? What were you doing there?”, etc. As long as you don’t have suspicious answers to these questions, and the drug sniffing dogs don’t alarm on your vehicle, you are allowed to continue. It’s a nuisance, but a minor nuisance. I suspect the AZ law will be enforced in a similar fashion. I don’t expect it will be more than a minor nuisance for the average person pulled over for speeding.

  • SirWired

    Adele: There is now, and has been since literally the founding days of our nation, a different definition of “reasonable” at the nation’s borders. (The entire state of Arizona does not count as a “border.”) While not everybody gets asked for their passport or proof of citizenship, if you don’t have it, and they ask for it, you are getting detained. (Not necessarily deported, but you aren’t going anywhere until you come up with citizenship proof. This is why you cannot board an airplane for an international flight without showing your passport; the airline doesn’t want to ship you home for free.) A citizenship ID requirement has ALWAYS been in place at actual border crossings, and this easily comes under the constitutional authorization for the federal government to exercise control over the borders, citizenship, and immigration. (Of note here is that AZ has no such authorization.)

    Once you complete border crossing, there has NEVER been a requirement for US citizens/residents to carry proof of citizenship/residency. This is something we have always associated with less free countries.

    It won’t be an issue for you if you are pulled over for speeding, since you of course must carry your license with you to drive. But what about the “immigrant-looking” passenger in the back seat who is riding with you for a quick trip to the store and didn’t bring his/her wallet?

    or: You just moved yesterday from New Mexico, the neighbors think you look “illegal immigrant-y” so the police decide to do a citizenship check under the pretext of your grass being too tall. The police knock on your door: do you know where your birth certificate and/or passport is?

  • Shauna

    I live in AZ, and the real problem is Sherrif Arpaio. He has been illegally profiling for years, costing tax payers a fortune for his sick twisted crusade. People are so worked up over the immigration problem that they continue to support him. Last year, he sent 30 cops in to raid a librbary in the middle of the night, in full riot gear, and who did they bust in this sting operation? The maid. One little woman. I will sleep safer because of that.
    He’s been profiling for years. His deputies will walk right up to someone, ask for their papers, and arrest them on the spot. The truth is, this abomination has been going on forever, but nobody talks about it because he is so shady and backwards that people fear for their own safety if they speak up. That is the problem I have with this law. The last thing Arpaio needs is a free pass to harass people. He’ll just keep doing what he has been doing only now he won’t get sued for human rights violations.
    Anyone considering boycotting AZ due to racial profiling and human rights violations, should have done so long ago, when Arpaio was elected. This $%^*& HAS BEEN GOING ON FOR YEARS.

  • Adele

    Sir Wired- I was addressing the substance of the post- which was discussing what the new law might mean for travelers. Based on my experience (and I have lived in Texas, New Mexico, and Arizona), I thought that under the law the typical traffic stop might be conducted similar to what the Border Patrol does at their checkpoints inside the US.

    I was not trying to debate the pluses or minuses of the new law.

  • http://www.tripso.com/author/ned/ Ned Levi

    Extremely well said, Sir Wired, concerning the difference between travel inside the US and crossing the border. Thanks.

  • Hazel

    And yet … a legal immigrant is required, by federal law, to carry proof of their residence status at all times. So residents who are not citizens have had to prove their legal status – at least by federal law – since the New Deal and Freddy Roosevelt. This is not new.

    All Arizona is requiring is that the laws on books actually be enforced.

  • Kevin M

    Hazel – and all –
    The problem with the law is not that it requires legal immigrants to show papers that they are required to carry. The problem with the law is that it allows local police (who have little to no training and zero authority in the field of immigration law and enforcement) to demand proof of legal residency from *anyone* they think *may* be an illegal immigrant, including citizens who are not required to carry any such documentation.

    The potential for abuse here goes way beyond just cases of ID left at home, etc. The sheriff of Maricopa County (which includes Phoenix) is elected by the voters. Imagine, if you will, two bars in a predominantly Mexican-American neighborhood. The sheriff or his deputies go to each and ask for the owner’s ‘support’ in his re-election bid (translation: campaign contribution). One coughs up $1,000, the other politely declines. Two nights later, deputies “observe” some suspicious activity in the second establishment and raid the place. demanding ID from everyone. A few weeks later, “someone” reports that the place is too noisy and it happens again. Even the legal residents will be so inconvenienced by this kind of harassment that they’ll do the smart thing – avoid the second bar. The sheriff gets his reelection money, the first bar never even gets checked for illegals, and the second guy goes out of business–because this new law gives police a way to hassle legal residents so much they’ll avoid any place it’s being enforced.

    I can think of at least four or five ways like this that a corrupt police department or officer could engage in all sorts of monkey business.

  • Rebecca C.

    I am a proud american, born and raised. However, I am appalled and disgusted at this new law. What is this country coming to? This is another step closer to this great country becoming communist. Think about it… they are taking our rights away from us one by one. For those of you who think this law is protecting you, you should really think about the meaning behind it and what will come next. Later they will be telling you when you can wipe your ass. Or maybe you’ll have to carry a special ID to shop in the local grocery store. It may not seem like it now but in the end all of these things go hand in hand in destroying our country.

  • Rebecca C.

    Roxie,
    You are off topic and completely out of line. You are obviously a racist and a very bad person! You are in serious need of god!!! Everyone who needs medical treatment should receive it. By the way, did you know that Americans go over the border to Canada to receive FREE medical procedures. So maybe you should quit stereotyping and get a hobby.

  • Rob Snugman

    Well, when you ask an illegal immigrant for an id here in my town and they ask which one. sporting 3 drivers licenses and a a socila security number of Hans Gruberman and they ask “which Id do you need?” you have to ask the question, could you even prove they are NOT a citizen with all of the ilegal docusment being made and sold to them?
    Rob

  • Rob Snugman

    I would say it is good for the makers of ilegal documents, now they wil be charging $1500-$5000 for fake passports just like the fake drivers licenses and social security cards they make and sell. Good for business!!!

    Rob

  • stewart

    I am a naturalised US citizen, gray hair blue eyes fair skin, no accent..vietnam veteran, raised my kids and grandkids up now, my grandsons name is Paco, my oldest daughters girls last name is Herrera…I will drive around Arizona thanks.

  • jack

    Illegal immigration is a big problem so it’s OK to shred the Constitution to get it solved.

  • Artie

    Obviously this is a very complex question.

    My view is that the historical lessons of government
    tyranny are being ignored by a segment of the population.
    Closing borders not only keeps people out, but it also affects
    YOUR right to leave…if you want to. We must not forget that these types of laws affect the legitimate rights of ALL OF US. Some of us are clearly willing to give up our Constitutional rights in exchange for the illusion of security.

    This law aside, racist kooks may feel license to target
    AMERICAN CITIZENS who are Hispanic. A person who is likely to attack an Hispanic person because they may be an illegal alien, is not smart enough to care if they have entered the country legally or otherwise. They may say, “It’s OK if they have papers”, but they really don’t care. They are out for violence fueled by irrational hatred, some people are just like that. What can you do?

    As far as I can tell, American Citizens are not required to show proof of citizenship, nor should they be I am a white American. If I ever go to Arizona I will speak Spanish (because I can, and it’s not illegal), and if someone does not like it, they can get in line and kiss my ***.

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  • Bud

    I’m a Native American (Arikara) and all you Europeans are illegals. That being said, I think a vacation to Arizona would be very profitable. If they dared detain me the lawsuit would make me rich.

  • randy jackson

    I can see it all now, my 18 year old son get’s stopped in Arizona while joy riding with his girlfriend. He’s in a new mercedes, he is handsome, the girl is gorgeous. The sheriff joe says, “alright pretty boy, let’s see some papers”.. of course the boy has nothing other than a driver’s license, no proof of citizenship.. I BET A REDNECK COP CAN REALLY SHOW A SPOILED LITTLE PRETTY BOY (with a hot woman and a mercedes convertible) exactly how we do business in AZ. No thinks
    i will take the Northern route. rj

  • David Nance

    Please grow up people. If you are scared to come here, fine then stay home. Back a few years ago, I had a bike highway cruiser Motorcycle – a beautiful Honda Gold Wing not an “Outlaw Harley styled” machine. I can’t count the number of times I got stopped by the Cops just to check “My papers”. I am not the only Touring machine rider who has this tale to tell.

    Point being that was OK, but the media and the President wants to lie and distort to suit their agenda. So go to Los Angeles (better take a gun and a mexican dictionary).

    Arizona welcomes everybody of every color just as long as they are here as a fellow citizen of lawful visitor/worker.

  • Ed

    I’ve never seen so much misinformation and outright false information being spread about a law.
    1. Hispanics/Mexicans are not a “race.” So whenever the term “racism” or “racial profiling” is used in this debate, it indicates that the speaker has an agenda.
    2. Action under this law will be instigated by the illegal alien, NOT by the police. This will happen, for example, on a traffic stop when the driver does not speak English and hands the officer a Mexican driver’s license or Mexican Consular card for ID.

    The claim that merely not having an ID or not having an Arizona ID will trigger this law is a complete lie.

    Travelers have absolutely nothing to fear from this law when traveling through Arizona. In fact, MOST Arizona Hispanic-Americans support the law.

    I invite people to actually READ the law rather than listen to the lies of the leftists and “reconquista” activists who have their own agenda to have illegal immigration continue.

  • Ed

    By the way, I am am Arizona police officer. I just read the rest of the posts in this thread. The degree of ignorance takes my breath away!

    1. This new law merely takes the federal law and makes it ALSO state law. If 1070 is “un-Constitutional”, then so is the federal law that ICE has been enforcing for decades.

    2. Arizona police officers are as well-trained as California officers, or officers in any other state. Police officers are well aware that they have zero right to demand “papers” (what are “papers”, anyway?) from someone just strolling down the street. However, if you run a red light or exceed the speed limit and get stopped, the officer is going to ask for your driver’s license, insurance, and registration. If you respond with “no licensia!” and hand the officer a Mexican Chauffeur (driver) license, he will then have a “reasonable suspicion” that you are an illegal alien, and he will investigate further.

    That’s it. You will have to be first arrested for a crime or detained for a violation of traffic law before officers ask for your ID. If you want to make $$$ in a lawsuit (like some idiot said in another post), then pretend you don’t speak English and hand the officer a Mexican ID (if you can get one). Not only will you LOSE the lawsuit, you will be charged for giving false information to police.

    To those running their mouths without having a clue about the law: do some RESEARCH. It will prevent you from looking so dumb.

  • vincenzo

    This article and ensuing warnings about travel to Arizona is a joke! First of all, Ned Levi bases at least part of his conclusion on information obtained from this clown Clarissa Martinez De Castro, spokesperson for the National Council of La Raza. Do you even know what “La Raza” translates to in English, Mr. Levi? It means, “The Race”. It is an Hispanic hate group that is attempting to brainwash young Hispanics into a belief that Hispanics are superior to Whites. They operate as a Hispanic Supremacist Group, much like The Black Panthers or the KKK; groups who represent the worst kind of racism. They had sponsored a class disguised as “Ethnic Studies” in the Tucson Unified School District until this class was recently outlawed by the Arizona State Legislature. The class basically taught that the Southwestern States (Arizona included) were once the territories of the Motherland (Mexico). These lands were “stolen” by the Whites and incorporated into what is now the United States. La Raza’s teachings extend into radical tenets as to not recognize any border separating the US with Mexico, allowing the free flow of Mexicans into the US without restriction. La Raza also advocates the “violent over throw” of the US government in order to achieve these goals! Wake up, Mr. Levi and check out the sources from which you form your conclusions…..That is…………unless you agree with La Raza !!

  • http://www.tripso.com/author/ned/ Ned Levi

    Vincenzo, I think you’ve misread the article, which cites proponents and opponents of the new law in order to gain an understanding of it, and its implications.

    The article asks the question, “Does the new Arizona law affect travelers, including US citizens and legal residents, traveling to, or through Arizona, and if yes, how?”

    My conclusion was, It does. I stand by my conclusion that swarthy skinned travelers in Arizona should carry a proof of citizenship with them to avoid be detained for an investigation of their legal or illegal presence in the state, which could ruin their journey in the state, by eating up valuable travel time.

    As I said to another commenter, Bodega, while I have concerns about the law, (I don’t think the issues are as cut and dry as either proponents or opponents of it say they are.) I’ve clearly written about the practical issues of it for travelers.

  • cassie – azagt

    I live in Tucson and support SB1070. It may not be perfect but we have to start somewhere. I hope the ongoing debate produces a solution to the terrible problems we face and live with every day because of the flood of illegals coming over the border. As Ed said people of Hispanic origins are NOT a race. They are essentially Caucasian if any ‘race’ at all. We in support are NOT racists. We want safety, posperity and hope for all our citizens. And we want it to be legal, regardless of race and skin color. Is that too much to ask? That our laws be enforced? If you want to see how illegals fare in other countries may I suggest you take a look at Mexicos illigal entry laws first.

  • http://www.tripso.com/author/ned/ Ned Levi

    Please, if you want to support the Arizona immigration law, that’s great. You’re entitled to your opinion, and we encourage speaking one’s mind here and are open to all opinions.

    If you want to talk against the Arizona immigration law, that’s great too.

    I personally do have a problem when people twist the truth and use artificial political definitions to prove a point.

    The dictionary defines “race” thusly,

    “1. A local geographic or global human population distinguished as a more or less distinct group by genetically transmitted physical characteristics.
    2. A group of people united or classified together on the basis of common history, nationality, or geographic distribution: the German race.
    3. A genealogical line; a lineage.”

    Clearly, Latinos, Hispanics, whatever name you want to use to describe those of Central American or South American ancestry, are a race or races. There are definite physical characteristics associated with such peoples, and that means “race.” I know what the census people in Washington say, but that’s a political decision not a anthropological, scientific, or even reality based decision.

    Now, let me make it clear that I don’t think those who support the law are, or not, necessarily racists. I think supporters of the law are citizens who are fed up with the inaction of the federal government to handle the problem of illegal immigration in the country.

    Based on my reading of the law, I agree with Tucson, Arizona, police officer Martin Escobar, who said he sees no “race neutral criteria or basis to suspect or identify who is lawfully in the United States” under this law. I just don’t see a practical way of enforcing the law, as written, which doesn’t rely on a judgment about race by police officers.

    Moreover, I believe the law as written is grasping at straws. If this country actually wants to eliminate or at least get the problem of illegal immigration under control, then the governments of the country need to start by going after the businesses and private individuals who employ illegal aliens. That’s already against the law. Why not enforce it, rather than writing laws which can only scratch the surface of the problem, and which have huge problems of enforcement. If want to eliminate the problem, you’ve got to eliminate the reasons for the problem.

    If you want to talk to the issues great. If you want to insult people, go do it somewhere else.

  • cassie – azagt

    It was not my meaning to insult anyone, Nor can I eliminate the problem. Not by myself. I agree the laws must be enforced. They are not. I welcome change. We have to start somewhere.

    On a regular basis vans carrying illegals come into Arizona. 20 or 30 or more packed in. Top heavy, they roll. Death and serious injury. Helicopters and responders. Hospitals experience huge cost. Two trauma centers locally have closed because they cannot afford the expense.. And AZ pays for it. It seems to be a ‘state’ problem.
    We experience murder, drug traficing, home invasions on a level you do not understand, I’m tired of it.
    Help us.
    The US got my piece of land in the Gladstone Purchase. We could always try to sell it back. Or pay more taxes. Shell out the dough Ned. Or give up. How close do you live to the border? No law or the one on the books?
    With respect, Cassie

  • http://www.tripso.com/author/ned/ Ned Levi

    Cassie, I’m sorry I left the impression that my last comment was directed at you. I wrote the comment to be aimed at many of the comments above. Please accept my thanks for not falling in that group at all.

    What I took in your your post that I didn’t at all agree with was the notion, I felt was implied, that since Hispanics weren’t a race, as per your comment, that actions against them couldn’t be racist.

    While I don’t live in the Southwest, it doesn’t mean I don’t understand the seriousness and breadth of the problem being suffered in Arizona. I agree with your governor and legislature that the federal government has fallen down on the job with regard to illegal immigration, and not just recently either. This has been a failure of the executive and legislative branches over decades. Political expediency and a desire to get reelected has in large part kept both Dems and the GOP from lifting a finger to help Arizona and the other border states who have borne the brunt of the problem. (By the way, we also have a serious illegal immigration problem here in PA. We have a significant illegal alien problem in Philadelphia with a large illegal Mexican contingent.)

    Nevertheless, a bad law is a bad law no matter how you look at it. I don’t know why (actually I do know as the Arizona politicians want reelection cash support from businesses) the Arizona government won’t send the police out to every farm and every business to enforce the law concerning the employment of illegal aliens. Start fining the business and threatening or putting business owners and managers in jail for knowingly employing illegals and you’ll take away the ability of illegals to earn a living to support themselves and send cash home. That will have a far greater effect on the problem than a secondary stop law. Cut off educational services of public schools to any child who the parents or guardians can’t prove is a US citizen, etc., etc., etc. Enforce the requirement of proof of citizenship of everyone applying for a job or receiving publicly funded services. That way everyone is treated the same and you start to actually eliminate the problem.

    As to the overloaded cars and vans, police have been stopping them for years and it hasn’t made a dent, has it. You’ve got to stop them for safety, and clearly that’s the only reason they are being stopped, but it’s not an effective means of sending illegals home, or you would have noticed the positive effects already.

    As to the drug trafficking, an awful lot of that, in my opinion, has to do with how the Border Patrol operates. In my opinion, they’ve completely blown it, and need to regroup, redeploy, and change their methods. Until they do, little will happen here. But saying that, do you really think the new law will have an effect on the home invasions, murders, and drugs? It won’t. The typical illegal alien has nothing to do with that crime. They just want to quietly earn a living here, and get away from the crime in their home country themselves.

    A law doomed to be ineffective is a bad law, and a bad law is a bad law, no matter how much you want it to be good and how much you want it too work. Plus ineffectiveness is not the only thing wrong with the law.

  • kina

    Thank you Ned, well put. I will never understand how people who are here illegally, are permitted attend our schools, (which cater to non English speaking students) flood our Emergency Rooms for medical care they are never going to pay for, and get all kinds of public assistance, while not paying taxes. Who wouldn’t want to live here??? Your suggestion that we begin by targeting peolel who employ illegals is spot on. Several years ago, I worked at a restaurant in Chicago, who helped illegal immigrants obtain fake social security cards so they could employ them. THAT is unamerican. Let’s begin at the source of the problem and not just create some crazy law that is just going to end up costing us even more tax dollars. Bad, stupid law.

  • chris

    Great i hope New Mexico and So. Cal will change their laws too. BTW did anyone see that there are not only Hispanics coming across the boarder but 13% other then Hispanic as well. Mostly from terriost nations. THIS IS A GOOD LAW. Lets build a wall!!!!!

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