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		<title>By: marge</title>
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		<dc:creator>marge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Aug 2008 13:15:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Amen, Carrie!  And to Hapgood:  No, I don&#039;t work for an airline.  I&#039;m just a traveling fool and I love it!  I echo Carrie&#039;s experience.  I live by the Golden Rule and I find when I greet the TSA, pilots, flight attendants - whomever - with respect and a smile, I receive the same in return.  Life is too short for bitchiness!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amen, Carrie!  And to Hapgood:  No, I don&#8217;t work for an airline.  I&#8217;m just a traveling fool and I love it!  I echo Carrie&#8217;s experience.  I live by the Golden Rule and I find when I greet the TSA, pilots, flight attendants &#8211; whomever &#8211; with respect and a smile, I receive the same in return.  Life is too short for bitchiness!</p>
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		<title>By: Carrie Charney</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carrie Charney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Aug 2008 05:35:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I know my time is coming, but I haven&#039;t had a bad flight this year, or even last year. I expect snags and surly flight attendants but have been greeted with smiles and respect. Heck, even the TSAs have been smiling and friendly lately. Maybe that extra training I read about is catching on. 

In anticipation of the unexpected, I do follow the recommended interval between airport arrival and flight. Then, instead of going through the &quot;elite&quot; line as I am permitted, I find myself getting on the longer lines just to keep myself occupied. 

My complaint about today&#039;s flight from Toronto to Newark? I got to the Pearson &quot;zoo&quot; 3 hours before takeoff. You know how those customs officials can be!  Well, everyone on the line was greeted with a, &quot;Hello&quot; and &quot;How are you?&quot;  by the officers. Some of them were actually smiling! I was at my gate in 20 minutes.  Then, on my full flight, the overheads were crammed and tempers were flaring at having to surrender wheelies to the FAs. Just the passengers&#039; tempers however. The crew handled each incident professionally and without anger. Flying may  not be the fun it was before 911, bankruptcies and outrageous fuel prices, but it isn&#039;t all horror stories either.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know my time is coming, but I haven&#8217;t had a bad flight this year, or even last year. I expect snags and surly flight attendants but have been greeted with smiles and respect. Heck, even the TSAs have been smiling and friendly lately. Maybe that extra training I read about is catching on. </p>
<p>In anticipation of the unexpected, I do follow the recommended interval between airport arrival and flight. Then, instead of going through the &#8220;elite&#8221; line as I am permitted, I find myself getting on the longer lines just to keep myself occupied. </p>
<p>My complaint about today&#8217;s flight from Toronto to Newark? I got to the Pearson &#8220;zoo&#8221; 3 hours before takeoff. You know how those customs officials can be!  Well, everyone on the line was greeted with a, &#8220;Hello&#8221; and &#8220;How are you?&#8221;  by the officers. Some of them were actually smiling! I was at my gate in 20 minutes.  Then, on my full flight, the overheads were crammed and tempers were flaring at having to surrender wheelies to the FAs. Just the passengers&#8217; tempers however. The crew handled each incident professionally and without anger. Flying may  not be the fun it was before 911, bankruptcies and outrageous fuel prices, but it isn&#8217;t all horror stories either.</p>
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		<title>By: Sam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Aug 2008 17:53:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good grief, let&#039;s be serious here: it&#039;s not that common for things to be utterly horrific.  For most people, the most you&#039;re going to face is some inconvenience.  It&#039;s public transportation, and that&#039;s always part of the equation.

If the airline gets me there safely and close to on time, I&#039;m a happy camper.  I won&#039;t starve to death, go broke if I have to bring my own snacks, or expire because they&#039;re not showing me a mediocre, dreadfully-edited movie.

Hap, I love to travel, and travel sometimes means inconvenience.  I don&#039;t get the thrill and excitement out of the town I live in that you do yours.  I want adventure, new people, new places, and new things.  If I have to endure a bit of discomfort to ge to those new places safely, it&#039;s 1000% better than looking at the same streets, same restaurants, and same faces that I see every other day of the year.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good grief, let&#8217;s be serious here: it&#8217;s not that common for things to be utterly horrific.  For most people, the most you&#8217;re going to face is some inconvenience.  It&#8217;s public transportation, and that&#8217;s always part of the equation.</p>
<p>If the airline gets me there safely and close to on time, I&#8217;m a happy camper.  I won&#8217;t starve to death, go broke if I have to bring my own snacks, or expire because they&#8217;re not showing me a mediocre, dreadfully-edited movie.</p>
<p>Hap, I love to travel, and travel sometimes means inconvenience.  I don&#8217;t get the thrill and excitement out of the town I live in that you do yours.  I want adventure, new people, new places, and new things.  If I have to endure a bit of discomfort to ge to those new places safely, it&#8217;s 1000% better than looking at the same streets, same restaurants, and same faces that I see every other day of the year.</p>
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		<title>By: 10 Tips for Surviving Overcrowded Skies &#171; CheapOair Buzz</title>
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		<dc:creator>10 Tips for Surviving Overcrowded Skies &#171; CheapOair Buzz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Aug 2008 11:58:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Joe Farrell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe Farrell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Aug 2008 13:56:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The airlines.  hahahahaha.

Mr. Wysong, it must be hard working for an industry so hated by its customers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The airlines.  hahahahaha.</p>
<p>Mr. Wysong, it must be hard working for an industry so hated by its customers.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Aug 2008 05:46:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You know, Hapgood, on my last four flights, things were just fine.  I don&#039;t fly a lot anymore, but although things have changed, they haven&#039;t been that awful for me.  Sure, I had to pay a little extra for food when I booked my wife&#039;s and my tickets to LA.  The cabin staff was pleasant,and we were pleasant back.  We made efforts to be non-demanding quite passengers who took care of ourselves.  The annoying thing was the woman who tried for 3 hours to squash my knees by attempting to put her seat all the way back.  Yes, I would have loved to have bounced her head off the seat in front of her, but I didn&#039;t.
We also went to the apparently much dreaded Heathrow airport.  Our flight over and back were both delayed by about an hour as they took care of some safety concerns.  Upon arrival, there were a whopping four people ahead of us at customs.  On the way out, the lineup was a bit long, but everyone was polite and things moved just fine.  Stark contrast to the TSA lineup in Los Angeles.  It shows that there is a polite and a rude way to screen passengers.

I&#039;ll tell you one thing.  I don&#039;t go there expecting the airline to babysit me every step of the way.  I&#039;ll make sure there is food and drink for myself and my wife.  If they can&#039;t fly us or there is a delay, I make sure that my wife and I are able to deal with it and not be dependant upon others.  I don&#039;t like how it is today with all the extra fees, but I know how to figure out how much everything costs, so I just add it in.  James has good advice and I intend to heed it when I fly in a couple of weeks.  I don&#039;t expect things to be perfect, but I think there won&#039;t be any problems we can&#039;t solve.  I&#039;m sure things will go just fine with the car rental company and hotels too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know, Hapgood, on my last four flights, things were just fine.  I don&#8217;t fly a lot anymore, but although things have changed, they haven&#8217;t been that awful for me.  Sure, I had to pay a little extra for food when I booked my wife&#8217;s and my tickets to LA.  The cabin staff was pleasant,and we were pleasant back.  We made efforts to be non-demanding quite passengers who took care of ourselves.  The annoying thing was the woman who tried for 3 hours to squash my knees by attempting to put her seat all the way back.  Yes, I would have loved to have bounced her head off the seat in front of her, but I didn&#8217;t.<br />
We also went to the apparently much dreaded Heathrow airport.  Our flight over and back were both delayed by about an hour as they took care of some safety concerns.  Upon arrival, there were a whopping four people ahead of us at customs.  On the way out, the lineup was a bit long, but everyone was polite and things moved just fine.  Stark contrast to the TSA lineup in Los Angeles.  It shows that there is a polite and a rude way to screen passengers.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll tell you one thing.  I don&#8217;t go there expecting the airline to babysit me every step of the way.  I&#8217;ll make sure there is food and drink for myself and my wife.  If they can&#8217;t fly us or there is a delay, I make sure that my wife and I are able to deal with it and not be dependant upon others.  I don&#8217;t like how it is today with all the extra fees, but I know how to figure out how much everything costs, so I just add it in.  James has good advice and I intend to heed it when I fly in a couple of weeks.  I don&#8217;t expect things to be perfect, but I think there won&#8217;t be any problems we can&#8217;t solve.  I&#8217;m sure things will go just fine with the car rental company and hotels too.</p>
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		<title>By: Hapgood</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hapgood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Aug 2008 03:46:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How can anyone &lt;i&gt;not&lt;/i&gt; be negative about flying today, marge? Flying used to be fun. Now it&#039;s an ordeal that&#039;s deteriorating with each passing day as brilliant executives continually dream up new ways to devalue it. The best thing we can do is say &quot;No thanks&quot; (whenever we have a choice of destination and transportation, that is) and let the desperate &quot;legacy&quot; dinosaurs chew off and devour their own limbs.

I gather that you&#039;re a flight attendant (or perhaps a pilot?). I feel very sorry for you. You&#039;re caught in a vise as your bosses make you bear the burden of their mismanagement, while mistreated passengers have no other target but you for their outrage. It can&#039;t be pleasant for anyone (except perhaps the CEOs who are entitled to award themselves bonuses and raises regardless of performance). Very sad.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How can anyone <i>not</i> be negative about flying today, marge? Flying used to be fun. Now it&#8217;s an ordeal that&#8217;s deteriorating with each passing day as brilliant executives continually dream up new ways to devalue it. The best thing we can do is say &#8220;No thanks&#8221; (whenever we have a choice of destination and transportation, that is) and let the desperate &#8220;legacy&#8221; dinosaurs chew off and devour their own limbs.</p>
<p>I gather that you&#8217;re a flight attendant (or perhaps a pilot?). I feel very sorry for you. You&#8217;re caught in a vise as your bosses make you bear the burden of their mismanagement, while mistreated passengers have no other target but you for their outrage. It can&#8217;t be pleasant for anyone (except perhaps the CEOs who are entitled to award themselves bonuses and raises regardless of performance). Very sad.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Aug 2008 22:45:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I flew transcon first class last week and got a crappy sandwich! Not even a choice of what was on it! 
Flying first is what flying coach was 10 years ago!

I hope the legacy carriers DIE because they SUCK and are just one giant codeshare anyway.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I flew transcon first class last week and got a crappy sandwich! Not even a choice of what was on it!<br />
Flying first is what flying coach was 10 years ago!</p>
<p>I hope the legacy carriers DIE because they SUCK and are just one giant codeshare anyway.</p>
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		<title>By: marge</title>
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		<dc:creator>marge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Aug 2008 18:50:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gee, Hap - I&#039;m glad I won&#039;t see you on any of my flights this fall!  Talk about negativity - yikes!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gee, Hap &#8211; I&#8217;m glad I won&#8217;t see you on any of my flights this fall!  Talk about negativity &#8211; yikes!</p>
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		<title>By: Hapgood</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hapgood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Aug 2008 16:05:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have an even better tip. 

Take the money (and fees) an airline would have charged you to lose your luggage, strand you in a strange city because of a missed connection, or (if you&#039;re lucky) jam you into a middle seat between the feverish sniffling man and the lady with the continually screaming baby-- and treat yourself to a fantastic staycation in a nice local hotel. Eat in some nice local restaurants, and enjoy the sights of your home town that you overlooked in the days when air travel was reasonably pleasant. You&#039;ll have a much more enjoyable time that way, and perhaps end your trip with reduced stress levels instead of airline-induced apoplexy.

Don&#039;t worry about the effect this would have on the beleaguered airlines. Despite what airline executives might insist, you have no &quot;patriotic&quot; duty or obligation to help out a failing industry that expresses its gratitude by treating its customers like self-loading manure. And those executives are doing a great job of nose-diving their companies into the ground all by themselves -- and possibly their airplanes as well, since the FAA&#039;s &quot;laissez-faire deregulation&quot; ideology effectively encourages cost-cutting in maintenance.

So it matters little whether if you put yourself first and avoid the ordeal of flying. The employees are going to suffer the Death of A Thousand Cuts no matter what. And the CEOs are going to get their bonuses and bankruptcy-proof pensions because they&#039;re divinely entitled to them, even if the taxpayers have to fund it.  

In the long term, perhaps the best possible thing for the aviation industry is for the &quot;legacy&quot; carriers to continue their death spiral into oblivion. Maybe that will allow new airlines to rise from their ashes. And maybe those airlines will have executives who recognize that customers and employees are as essential to their success as efficient management.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have an even better tip. </p>
<p>Take the money (and fees) an airline would have charged you to lose your luggage, strand you in a strange city because of a missed connection, or (if you&#8217;re lucky) jam you into a middle seat between the feverish sniffling man and the lady with the continually screaming baby&#8211; and treat yourself to a fantastic staycation in a nice local hotel. Eat in some nice local restaurants, and enjoy the sights of your home town that you overlooked in the days when air travel was reasonably pleasant. You&#8217;ll have a much more enjoyable time that way, and perhaps end your trip with reduced stress levels instead of airline-induced apoplexy.</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t worry about the effect this would have on the beleaguered airlines. Despite what airline executives might insist, you have no &#8220;patriotic&#8221; duty or obligation to help out a failing industry that expresses its gratitude by treating its customers like self-loading manure. And those executives are doing a great job of nose-diving their companies into the ground all by themselves &#8212; and possibly their airplanes as well, since the FAA&#8217;s &#8220;laissez-faire deregulation&#8221; ideology effectively encourages cost-cutting in maintenance.</p>
<p>So it matters little whether if you put yourself first and avoid the ordeal of flying. The employees are going to suffer the Death of A Thousand Cuts no matter what. And the CEOs are going to get their bonuses and bankruptcy-proof pensions because they&#8217;re divinely entitled to them, even if the taxpayers have to fund it.  </p>
<p>In the long term, perhaps the best possible thing for the aviation industry is for the &#8220;legacy&#8221; carriers to continue their death spiral into oblivion. Maybe that will allow new airlines to rise from their ashes. And maybe those airlines will have executives who recognize that customers and employees are as essential to their success as efficient management.</p>
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