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		<title>By: Dave</title>
		<link>http://www.consumertraveler.com/columns/fighting-travel-companies-that-fudge-the-numbers/comment-page-1/#comment-15301</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Sep 2009 23:04:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But, Kelley, these people are employed by the company for the purpose of carrying out the company&#039;s policies. The person you deal with directly is not the one setting the rules; it really is the company that is at fault unless the agent has made a mistake in applying the company&#039;s rules, which can happen.

I do agree with the necessity of reading rules, asking questions, getting clarification if something isn&#039;t clear, and documenting everything.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But, Kelley, these people are employed by the company for the purpose of carrying out the company&#8217;s policies. The person you deal with directly is not the one setting the rules; it really is the company that is at fault unless the agent has made a mistake in applying the company&#8217;s rules, which can happen.</p>
<p>I do agree with the necessity of reading rules, asking questions, getting clarification if something isn&#8217;t clear, and documenting everything.</p>
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		<title>By: kelley</title>
		<link>http://www.consumertraveler.com/columns/fighting-travel-companies-that-fudge-the-numbers/comment-page-1/#comment-15279</link>
		<dc:creator>kelley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Sep 2009 17:25:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Really, Chris? This is why people are staying home? Because of the 11AM check-out times? Or is it because some guy somewhere didn&#039;t read his contract or listen well, then wanted it to be someone else&#039;s fault? After all, isn&#039;t it the responsibility of the service provider to protect us from our own shortcomings? The nerve of them to act like we actually read and/or listen! Don&#039;t they know I&#039;m never wrong and anyone who even implies that is &quot;out to get me&quot;? A small detail that seems to often be overlooked is that it&#039;s rarely &quot;Avis&quot; or &quot;United&quot; or &quot;Carnival&quot;, it&#039;s the person you are dealing with. And that person is just someone&#039;s son or daughter. Afterward, you go home and complain about &quot;Avis&quot;, but it was actually just that person. And they go home and complain about &quot;customers&quot;, when in reality, it was just you. I wonder if their version of events would make you look less like the &quot;victim&quot;?  I fail to see how this type of attack can benefit anyone. It&#039;s obviously an incredibly weak story when it has to be supported by an event that happened at least 10 year ago: &quot;I wish I could say this was a new problem, but it isn’t. A decade ago, one of my readers caught American Airlines closing its cabin doors early and refusing to allow him on the plane.&quot; One, out of how many tens of millions passengers? Maybe it happened twice in that time, or even three times. Any chance they might have held a door longer than required to accommodate someone? Once? Maybe twice? Maybe many, many times? And don&#039;t the rules, which are clearly stated, require you to be at the gate well before take-off, to avoid cancellation of your reservation? If he had met the terms of the agreement, there would have been no issue. But why hold a customer accountable - let&#039;s just blame a company.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Really, Chris? This is why people are staying home? Because of the 11AM check-out times? Or is it because some guy somewhere didn&#8217;t read his contract or listen well, then wanted it to be someone else&#8217;s fault? After all, isn&#8217;t it the responsibility of the service provider to protect us from our own shortcomings? The nerve of them to act like we actually read and/or listen! Don&#8217;t they know I&#8217;m never wrong and anyone who even implies that is &#8220;out to get me&#8221;? A small detail that seems to often be overlooked is that it&#8217;s rarely &#8220;Avis&#8221; or &#8220;United&#8221; or &#8220;Carnival&#8221;, it&#8217;s the person you are dealing with. And that person is just someone&#8217;s son or daughter. Afterward, you go home and complain about &#8220;Avis&#8221;, but it was actually just that person. And they go home and complain about &#8220;customers&#8221;, when in reality, it was just you. I wonder if their version of events would make you look less like the &#8220;victim&#8221;?  I fail to see how this type of attack can benefit anyone. It&#8217;s obviously an incredibly weak story when it has to be supported by an event that happened at least 10 year ago: &#8220;I wish I could say this was a new problem, but it isn’t. A decade ago, one of my readers caught American Airlines closing its cabin doors early and refusing to allow him on the plane.&#8221; One, out of how many tens of millions passengers? Maybe it happened twice in that time, or even three times. Any chance they might have held a door longer than required to accommodate someone? Once? Maybe twice? Maybe many, many times? And don&#8217;t the rules, which are clearly stated, require you to be at the gate well before take-off, to avoid cancellation of your reservation? If he had met the terms of the agreement, there would have been no issue. But why hold a customer accountable &#8211; let&#8217;s just blame a company.</p>
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		<title>By: nadabrainiac</title>
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		<dc:creator>nadabrainiac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Sep 2009 17:18:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mike, it was late. If you said one time, and the actual time you returned was later, well, that&#039;s the definition of late. Look it up. If you didn&#039;t agree to a 24-hour rental, why would you expect them to re-write the contract after the fact? You neglected to mention the rate for you would have paid for a 24-hour agreement. Was it actually less than the hourly rate you asked for, or were you still further ahead, even including the late fee? Most people don&#039;t plan for cancelled flights, illness, accidents, change of plans, etc, but is that really a burden for the rental car company to bear for every one of its customers? Penalties for early returns already exist with a lot of companies, as they should. You created extra work for them, or tried to pull a clever trick to avoid paying a higher rate, so you should be held financially accountable for that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike, it was late. If you said one time, and the actual time you returned was later, well, that&#8217;s the definition of late. Look it up. If you didn&#8217;t agree to a 24-hour rental, why would you expect them to re-write the contract after the fact? You neglected to mention the rate for you would have paid for a 24-hour agreement. Was it actually less than the hourly rate you asked for, or were you still further ahead, even including the late fee? Most people don&#8217;t plan for cancelled flights, illness, accidents, change of plans, etc, but is that really a burden for the rental car company to bear for every one of its customers? Penalties for early returns already exist with a lot of companies, as they should. You created extra work for them, or tried to pull a clever trick to avoid paying a higher rate, so you should be held financially accountable for that.</p>
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		<title>By: Beth</title>
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		<dc:creator>Beth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Sep 2009 15:57:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mike,

You obviously haven&#039;t renteed form Almo in the last few years. They&#039;ve had a Early returns policy for a while &quot;an Early Return fee is charged at a rate of $15 per rental when a vehicle is returned at least one calendar day early and total daily/weekly charges is less than the initial charged amount. &quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike,</p>
<p>You obviously haven&#8217;t renteed form Almo in the last few years. They&#8217;ve had a Early returns policy for a while &#8220;an Early Return fee is charged at a rate of $15 per rental when a vehicle is returned at least one calendar day early and total daily/weekly charges is less than the initial charged amount. &#8220;</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Walsh</title>
		<link>http://www.consumertraveler.com/columns/fighting-travel-companies-that-fudge-the-numbers/comment-page-1/#comment-15274</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom Walsh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Sep 2009 15:46:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Hertz at AUS Airport is unlike any other.  They are so bad, the lines, the lack of service...

This does not surprise me at al.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Hertz at AUS Airport is unlike any other.  They are so bad, the lines, the lack of service&#8230;</p>
<p>This does not surprise me at al.</p>
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		<title>By: mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Sep 2009 13:37:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Avis has a new charge that hit me for I think it was $12 for returning a car late even though your not really late. Amazing thing was I had a 6 am flight that was canceled and rebooked on a later flight. While the 24 hour clock didn&#039;t expire as I picked up at 3 pm my original drop off time was 6 am. Sorry we charge you extra! I was told book the reservation a full 24 hour time limit and then I would not be charged. Gee I had never planned for canceled flights with my rental car. Now I reserve the entire 24 hours if I use it or not. Funny I&#039;m waiting for an early drop off fee now. Am I just cynical or is this a logical human mindset?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Avis has a new charge that hit me for I think it was $12 for returning a car late even though your not really late. Amazing thing was I had a 6 am flight that was canceled and rebooked on a later flight. While the 24 hour clock didn&#8217;t expire as I picked up at 3 pm my original drop off time was 6 am. Sorry we charge you extra! I was told book the reservation a full 24 hour time limit and then I would not be charged. Gee I had never planned for canceled flights with my rental car. Now I reserve the entire 24 hours if I use it or not. Funny I&#8217;m waiting for an early drop off fee now. Am I just cynical or is this a logical human mindset?</p>
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		<title>By: Susan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Susan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Sep 2009 13:33:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have been out of the travel business for a while now, but for a non-refundable airline ticket, the usual rule was it had to be re-issued 1 year from the date the ticket was purchased, not the travel date.
As a travel professional and part of my fee, I would remind my clients when an unused ticket that I had issued for them was due to expire.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have been out of the travel business for a while now, but for a non-refundable airline ticket, the usual rule was it had to be re-issued 1 year from the date the ticket was purchased, not the travel date.<br />
As a travel professional and part of my fee, I would remind my clients when an unused ticket that I had issued for them was due to expire.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Sep 2009 12:56:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re: Hertz. The terms also say &quot;Rental days are based on 24 hour periods commencing at time of pickup.&quot; Doesn&#039;t sound like it to me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: Hertz. The terms also say &#8220;Rental days are based on 24 hour periods commencing at time of pickup.&#8221; Doesn&#8217;t sound like it to me.</p>
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