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	<title>Comments on: Are online agencies betraying their customers? Depends how the cookie crumbles</title>
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		<title>By: qusum</title>
		<link>http://www.consumertraveler.com/columns/are-online-agencies-betraying-their-customers-depends-how-the-cookie-crumbles/comment-page-1/#comment-14527</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Aug 2009 21:40:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Collecting and using the information is one thing, but most users are unaware of the methods and data that are collected. Control of one&#039;s computer is in part lost as most users are unaware that the tracking information is stored on one&#039;s computer in several different folders that are hidden from normal view. The only way to see or manage the data is to view the hidden folders and then you need to know the location. I wrote a program to do that for you and it is called qusum, website is the same as the program name.  I simply got frustrated clearing out all this junk.
Advertisers should be more up front,  if they have nothing to hide they should not &quot;hide&quot; their cookies and objects on my machine. Put them where I can see and manage them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Collecting and using the information is one thing, but most users are unaware of the methods and data that are collected. Control of one&#8217;s computer is in part lost as most users are unaware that the tracking information is stored on one&#8217;s computer in several different folders that are hidden from normal view. The only way to see or manage the data is to view the hidden folders and then you need to know the location. I wrote a program to do that for you and it is called qusum, website is the same as the program name.  I simply got frustrated clearing out all this junk.<br />
Advertisers should be more up front,  if they have nothing to hide they should not &#8220;hide&#8221; their cookies and objects on my machine. Put them where I can see and manage them.</p>
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		<title>By: Online Travel Agencies could be selling your cookies (buying habits) &#124; Cathy Cruises Blog</title>
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		<dc:creator>Online Travel Agencies could be selling your cookies (buying habits) &#124; Cathy Cruises Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Jun 2009 16:28:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: John F</title>
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		<dc:creator>John F</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Jun 2009 15:05:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If the personal info is stripped from the cookie, selling the info is likely in accordance with the site&#039;s privacy policies.

I think there are many more sites in many more industries doing this as Karen alluded.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If the personal info is stripped from the cookie, selling the info is likely in accordance with the site&#8217;s privacy policies.</p>
<p>I think there are many more sites in many more industries doing this as Karen alluded.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Jun 2009 00:29:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ned,

Thank you for your response.  I can see more what your point is, and as I understand it, you are saying that the rest of the industry should allow opt out as well.
Correct me if I&#039;m wrong, but it looks like the provider of advertising via the expedia route is allowing you to opt out, so you are not saddled with opting out if each of their customers&#039; websites, which is good.

Infortunately, we have to either have ads or pay money.  At the moment, I&#039;m willing to put up with the ads.  I don&#039;t click them often because I only click them when they interest me.

Orbitz were the nasty ones who used popup ads when everyone hated them - and to this day, I have not used their site.  

I&#039;ve used expedia a few times and I&#039;ve never had a problem with anything they&#039;ve sold me.  I needed some clarification on one occasion, which they helped with.  I don&#039;t have any quibbles with them.   Mostly, I use hotel and airline sites directly though.  I do almost all of my travel bookings online.  Sometimes I make a mistake - and then either I can get it fixed or I have to pay for it.  Both have happened.

However, they are going to have a hard time monitoring my travel habits.

Thank you for all of your well written articles.

Karen - I don&#039;t know if you have very targeted ads or if their is adware on your machine.  You might want to scan your machine.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ned,</p>
<p>Thank you for your response.  I can see more what your point is, and as I understand it, you are saying that the rest of the industry should allow opt out as well.<br />
Correct me if I&#8217;m wrong, but it looks like the provider of advertising via the expedia route is allowing you to opt out, so you are not saddled with opting out if each of their customers&#8217; websites, which is good.</p>
<p>Infortunately, we have to either have ads or pay money.  At the moment, I&#8217;m willing to put up with the ads.  I don&#8217;t click them often because I only click them when they interest me.</p>
<p>Orbitz were the nasty ones who used popup ads when everyone hated them &#8211; and to this day, I have not used their site.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve used expedia a few times and I&#8217;ve never had a problem with anything they&#8217;ve sold me.  I needed some clarification on one occasion, which they helped with.  I don&#8217;t have any quibbles with them.   Mostly, I use hotel and airline sites directly though.  I do almost all of my travel bookings online.  Sometimes I make a mistake &#8211; and then either I can get it fixed or I have to pay for it.  Both have happened.</p>
<p>However, they are going to have a hard time monitoring my travel habits.</p>
<p>Thank you for all of your well written articles.</p>
<p>Karen &#8211; I don&#8217;t know if you have very targeted ads or if their is adware on your machine.  You might want to scan your machine.</p>
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		<title>By: Jen C</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jen C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Jun 2009 00:01:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah the joys of adblock!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah the joys of adblock!</p>
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		<title>By: Karen Fawcett</title>
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		<dc:creator>Karen Fawcett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Jun 2009 17:16:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am beginning to wonder if anything is sacred on the Internet. As I do a lot of surfing on travel sites, I am amazed to see &quot;third parties&quot; marketing to me.  Plus - has Overstock.com managed to infiltrate practically all websites?  The last items I looked at there pop up on my computer screen at the most unlikely times and places.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am beginning to wonder if anything is sacred on the Internet. As I do a lot of surfing on travel sites, I am amazed to see &#8220;third parties&#8221; marketing to me.  Plus &#8211; has Overstock.com managed to infiltrate practically all websites?  The last items I looked at there pop up on my computer screen at the most unlikely times and places.</p>
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		<title>By: Ned Levi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ned Levi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Jun 2009 16:34:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bill, thanks for your comment and your readership.

The idea of customizing advertisements sent to you on the web is not the upsetting part to me, nor is the potential sale of my buying habits. The problem is the way it&#039;s done.

Expedia is doing it one way, while much of the industry is doing it another, and industry spokesman Dan Jaffe sees nothing wrong with what the industry is doing.

Expedia has publicly announced their program to sell this data to advertisers. Not only that, Expedia is allowing their customers to &quot;opt-out&quot; of the program.

On the other hand, we have other travel websites and at least one travel search engine which is secretly selling data on your buying habits and not giving you the opportunity to &quot;opt-out.&quot;

There are privacy issues as pointed out as pointed out by the New York State Consumer Protection Board, and others. Mr. Jaffe and the ANA speaking for the industry think these adds definitely benefit the Internet public, and that their methods are benign. They think its enough for the industry to police itself and they don&#039;t want to permit you to &quot;opt out&quot; of their advertising program. That sends big red flags up my flag pole. (We saw what happened when the banking industry was policing itself with little intervention from government watchdogs.)

I think my basic question to Mr. Jaffe speaking to the industry still stands. If behavioral advertising is so valuable to the consumer, why are you afraid they’ll opt out?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bill, thanks for your comment and your readership.</p>
<p>The idea of customizing advertisements sent to you on the web is not the upsetting part to me, nor is the potential sale of my buying habits. The problem is the way it&#8217;s done.</p>
<p>Expedia is doing it one way, while much of the industry is doing it another, and industry spokesman Dan Jaffe sees nothing wrong with what the industry is doing.</p>
<p>Expedia has publicly announced their program to sell this data to advertisers. Not only that, Expedia is allowing their customers to &#8220;opt-out&#8221; of the program.</p>
<p>On the other hand, we have other travel websites and at least one travel search engine which is secretly selling data on your buying habits and not giving you the opportunity to &#8220;opt-out.&#8221;</p>
<p>There are privacy issues as pointed out as pointed out by the New York State Consumer Protection Board, and others. Mr. Jaffe and the ANA speaking for the industry think these adds definitely benefit the Internet public, and that their methods are benign. They think its enough for the industry to police itself and they don&#8217;t want to permit you to &#8220;opt out&#8221; of their advertising program. That sends big red flags up my flag pole. (We saw what happened when the banking industry was policing itself with little intervention from government watchdogs.)</p>
<p>I think my basic question to Mr. Jaffe speaking to the industry still stands. If behavioral advertising is so valuable to the consumer, why are you afraid they’ll opt out?</p>
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		<title>By: Bill</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Jun 2009 15:37:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not sure what to think about this.  When I first saw the article, I was upset.  But upon further thought, it might not be such a horrible idea.
We are going to be shown ads anyways.  Right now, they look at where you are surfing from - which is why I can be on a european website and get a Canadian telephone company ad.

There are issues - what if I am checking airfares for someone else, and I have no interest in the place - but end up getting ads for it...

We often look at things from the consumer perspective.  Advertisers probably want to spend their dollars the most effective way possible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not sure what to think about this.  When I first saw the article, I was upset.  But upon further thought, it might not be such a horrible idea.<br />
We are going to be shown ads anyways.  Right now, they look at where you are surfing from &#8211; which is why I can be on a european website and get a Canadian telephone company ad.</p>
<p>There are issues &#8211; what if I am checking airfares for someone else, and I have no interest in the place &#8211; but end up getting ads for it&#8230;</p>
<p>We often look at things from the consumer perspective.  Advertisers probably want to spend their dollars the most effective way possible.</p>
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