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		<title>By: mary gallagher</title>
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		<dc:creator>mary gallagher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Apr 2010 23:09:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A lot of references to using good travel agents, I think it was 1970 the last time I said no more and have never used one since. Like some travel writers they might as well and may have never been there, their information, skills and personal experience is worthless.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A lot of references to using good travel agents, I think it was 1970 the last time I said no more and have never used one since. Like some travel writers they might as well and may have never been there, their information, skills and personal experience is worthless.</p>
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		<title>By: Arizona Road Warrior</title>
		<link>http://www.consumertraveler.com/columns/agony-on-the-ecstasy/comment-page-1/#comment-19768</link>
		<dc:creator>Arizona Road Warrior</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2010 17:08:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ summerbl4ck:  It is hard to find a good travel agent.  In the 20+ years that I have been traveling for business, I have been only able to find one good travel agent that I could recommend to friends, family and business associates.

@SirWired:  I agree with you that finding a good travel agent is a difficult and error-prone process.  There are some good travel agents that are on this forum and I wish that one or two of them were located in the PHX area.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ summerbl4ck:  It is hard to find a good travel agent.  In the 20+ years that I have been traveling for business, I have been only able to find one good travel agent that I could recommend to friends, family and business associates.</p>
<p>@SirWired:  I agree with you that finding a good travel agent is a difficult and error-prone process.  There are some good travel agents that are on this forum and I wish that one or two of them were located in the PHX area.</p>
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		<title>By: SirWired</title>
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		<dc:creator>SirWired</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 23:00:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m with the folks that the &quot;you should have used a travel agent&quot; advice often dispensed here is really beside the point, often useless, and doesn&#039;t address the particular issue at hand.  Finding a good travel agent is a difficult and error-prone process.  I haven&#039;t had one yet do a thing for me I could not have done myself.  I had one that did a worse job.

Really, the only issue here is that the traveler claimed they stated they wanted to get off the ship and go home (and, by implication, invoking the guarantee.)  Carnival states they did not invoke the guarantee.  The specific complaints (food, activities, etc.), are beside the point, as they are either subjective or Carnival&#039;s tush is well covered there by the cruise contract.  (except maybe the basketball court... if it ain&#039;t there, that&#039;s a problem)

There are problems on both sides here.  The traveler should have followed up before going ashore on Cozumel, since the guarantee is useless once the ship leaves Cozumel.  Carnival should have made the promised phone call before the port visit.

On a single-port cruise (Galveston -&gt; Coz -&gt; Galveston,) what can the staff possibly do after leaving Coz?  You aren&#039;t getting a refund because you didn&#039;t like the food, nor should you.  It isn&#039;t promised, and is unlikely to be given.

I think, in the end, there will be plenty of blame to go around.  It appears like the pax was hysterical, and in such cases, any customer service rep goes into &quot;nod politely and get the customer calmed down mode&quot;.  Is this the right thing to do?  No.  But, if you are sobbing, getting your specific request across is quite difficult, and it isn&#039;t going to encourage the rep to go out of their way to do anything.

Oh, and for the folks that talked about the return airfare being more than the cruse... Carnival&#039;s guarantee includes return airfare, gratis.  It actually is a pretty good deal.  It does mean, however, you&#039;ll be stuck in the home port until your flight home though, unless you make other arrangements.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m with the folks that the &#8220;you should have used a travel agent&#8221; advice often dispensed here is really beside the point, often useless, and doesn&#8217;t address the particular issue at hand.  Finding a good travel agent is a difficult and error-prone process.  I haven&#8217;t had one yet do a thing for me I could not have done myself.  I had one that did a worse job.</p>
<p>Really, the only issue here is that the traveler claimed they stated they wanted to get off the ship and go home (and, by implication, invoking the guarantee.)  Carnival states they did not invoke the guarantee.  The specific complaints (food, activities, etc.), are beside the point, as they are either subjective or Carnival&#8217;s tush is well covered there by the cruise contract.  (except maybe the basketball court&#8230; if it ain&#8217;t there, that&#8217;s a problem)</p>
<p>There are problems on both sides here.  The traveler should have followed up before going ashore on Cozumel, since the guarantee is useless once the ship leaves Cozumel.  Carnival should have made the promised phone call before the port visit.</p>
<p>On a single-port cruise (Galveston -&gt; Coz -&gt; Galveston,) what can the staff possibly do after leaving Coz?  You aren&#8217;t getting a refund because you didn&#8217;t like the food, nor should you.  It isn&#8217;t promised, and is unlikely to be given.</p>
<p>I think, in the end, there will be plenty of blame to go around.  It appears like the pax was hysterical, and in such cases, any customer service rep goes into &#8220;nod politely and get the customer calmed down mode&#8221;.  Is this the right thing to do?  No.  But, if you are sobbing, getting your specific request across is quite difficult, and it isn&#8217;t going to encourage the rep to go out of their way to do anything.</p>
<p>Oh, and for the folks that talked about the return airfare being more than the cruse&#8230; Carnival&#8217;s guarantee includes return airfare, gratis.  It actually is a pretty good deal.  It does mean, however, you&#8217;ll be stuck in the home port until your flight home though, unless you make other arrangements.</p>
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		<title>By: SoBeSparky</title>
		<link>http://www.consumertraveler.com/columns/agony-on-the-ecstasy/comment-page-1/#comment-19682</link>
		<dc:creator>SoBeSparky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Feb 2010 09:06:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I keep reading so many of these, &quot;A Travel Agent would have solved all of your problems,&quot; answers.  

Fact is, if Carnival is allowing people to book from the website, then they and they alone have the responsibility to tell such well-known facts such as a queen bed is really two twin beds pushed together.  And they should reveal a true profile of their customers, that is, how many parents with children go aboard the Ecstasy from Galveston.  A party-hearty ship is not suitable for a child with a medical condition.  

I think it is fairly obvious that the DeBorde family had a rather limited budget.  They wanted a special experience for a chronically sick kid.  So the wisdom here is to blame them for not using a travel agent.  OMG.  How often do travel agents turn the victim into the accused?  Why bother with this column when the TA&#039;s defend the cruise companies, the source of their paychecks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I keep reading so many of these, &#8220;A Travel Agent would have solved all of your problems,&#8221; answers.  </p>
<p>Fact is, if Carnival is allowing people to book from the website, then they and they alone have the responsibility to tell such well-known facts such as a queen bed is really two twin beds pushed together.  And they should reveal a true profile of their customers, that is, how many parents with children go aboard the Ecstasy from Galveston.  A party-hearty ship is not suitable for a child with a medical condition.  </p>
<p>I think it is fairly obvious that the DeBorde family had a rather limited budget.  They wanted a special experience for a chronically sick kid.  So the wisdom here is to blame them for not using a travel agent.  OMG.  How often do travel agents turn the victim into the accused?  Why bother with this column when the TA&#8217;s defend the cruise companies, the source of their paychecks.</p>
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		<title>By: Carlo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carlo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Feb 2010 07:20:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ll bite.  Whether she clearly stated she wanted off the ship is debatable.  In print, &quot;I want to go home&quot; sounds like the whine of a complainer, not a person who is trying to get results, so a person in the customer service business may very well not interpret that remark correctly.  However, she WAS promised a call from the manager that never happened.  It is my belief that everything that went wrong from there could have been stopped if the manager had simply followed through on that phone called she was promised - assuming Mrs. DeBorde was willing to be reasonable.  Based on Anita&#039;s follow-up postings, I wonder about that.  But we&#039;ll never know, since the manager did NOT make that call she was promised.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll bite.  Whether she clearly stated she wanted off the ship is debatable.  In print, &#8220;I want to go home&#8221; sounds like the whine of a complainer, not a person who is trying to get results, so a person in the customer service business may very well not interpret that remark correctly.  However, she WAS promised a call from the manager that never happened.  It is my belief that everything that went wrong from there could have been stopped if the manager had simply followed through on that phone called she was promised &#8211; assuming Mrs. DeBorde was willing to be reasonable.  Based on Anita&#8217;s follow-up postings, I wonder about that.  But we&#8217;ll never know, since the manager did NOT make that call she was promised.</p>
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		<title>By: Charlie Leocha</title>
		<link>http://www.consumertraveler.com/columns/agony-on-the-ecstasy/comment-page-1/#comment-19671</link>
		<dc:creator>Charlie Leocha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Feb 2010 16:07:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just &quot;unapproved&quot; (yes, censored) a couple of comments that I feel were crossing the line and getting abusive and personal. Let&#039;s try to stick to the problem that the DeBordes faced. Calling each other names and questioning their motives serves no purpose. 

On with the constructive comments. Should the DeBordes have used a travel agent? (Maybe? Probably?) Did they clearly state they wanted off the ship? (Maybe they thought so, then again maybe not.) There are lots of comments here that are thoughtful and raise excellent questions.

Now back to shoveling out the 20 inches of snow covering my Virginia steps and sidewalk. And it&#039;s still snowing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just &#8220;unapproved&#8221; (yes, censored) a couple of comments that I feel were crossing the line and getting abusive and personal. Let&#8217;s try to stick to the problem that the DeBordes faced. Calling each other names and questioning their motives serves no purpose. </p>
<p>On with the constructive comments. Should the DeBordes have used a travel agent? (Maybe? Probably?) Did they clearly state they wanted off the ship? (Maybe they thought so, then again maybe not.) There are lots of comments here that are thoughtful and raise excellent questions.</p>
<p>Now back to shoveling out the 20 inches of snow covering my Virginia steps and sidewalk. And it&#8217;s still snowing.</p>
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		<title>By: Elle Emme</title>
		<link>http://www.consumertraveler.com/columns/agony-on-the-ecstasy/comment-page-1/#comment-19663</link>
		<dc:creator>Elle Emme</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Feb 2010 06:39:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What&#039;s the point in writing 1000+ word columns like this when the gist of it always is &quot;it&#039;s their fault, they should&#039;ve used a travel agent&quot;? I&#039;m sorry, but it&#039;s a tired, overused formula.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What&#8217;s the point in writing 1000+ word columns like this when the gist of it always is &#8220;it&#8217;s their fault, they should&#8217;ve used a travel agent&#8221;? I&#8217;m sorry, but it&#8217;s a tired, overused formula.</p>
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		<title>By: sue</title>
		<link>http://www.consumertraveler.com/columns/agony-on-the-ecstasy/comment-page-1/#comment-19660</link>
		<dc:creator>sue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Feb 2010 04:10:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The more I read this website, the less likely I am ever to book a cruise.  I have no doubt that this family had unrealistic expectations.  I have no doubt that if they had used a travel agent they would have ended up at Disney World (where they may also have had a bad experience and may have then yelled profanities at their travel agent).   But the idea that one needs a travel agent to protect you from cruise ship marketing materials and the fact that Carnival did not exercise its customer out based on a technicality based on words is just two more strikes against what I read as the sleaziest vacation option out there.  This family accidentally took a booze cruise and it never occurred to the crew to try and cater to their un-booze cruise needs, like maybe letting the kid play x-box, since their laser tag was not available.  This family was never going to be happy, but really Carnival didn&#039;t even try, so the least they could do is acknowledge that and either send them home when they had the opportunity or refund them. 

The tough luck attitude of cruise passengers is the number one reason why I&#039;d never ever put my vacation time in the hands of the cruise lines.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The more I read this website, the less likely I am ever to book a cruise.  I have no doubt that this family had unrealistic expectations.  I have no doubt that if they had used a travel agent they would have ended up at Disney World (where they may also have had a bad experience and may have then yelled profanities at their travel agent).   But the idea that one needs a travel agent to protect you from cruise ship marketing materials and the fact that Carnival did not exercise its customer out based on a technicality based on words is just two more strikes against what I read as the sleaziest vacation option out there.  This family accidentally took a booze cruise and it never occurred to the crew to try and cater to their un-booze cruise needs, like maybe letting the kid play x-box, since their laser tag was not available.  This family was never going to be happy, but really Carnival didn&#8217;t even try, so the least they could do is acknowledge that and either send them home when they had the opportunity or refund them. </p>
<p>The tough luck attitude of cruise passengers is the number one reason why I&#8217;d never ever put my vacation time in the hands of the cruise lines.</p>
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		<title>By: Anita Dunham-Potter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anita Dunham-Potter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Feb 2010 02:10:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gee thanks Carol. Maybe I should write puff pieces about the cruise industry instead. 

Best
Anita</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gee thanks Carol. Maybe I should write puff pieces about the cruise industry instead. </p>
<p>Best<br />
Anita</p>
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		<title>By: carol</title>
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		<dc:creator>carol</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Feb 2010 00:45:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I completely agree with the first John.  The cruise people dragged their feet to avoid paying.  Anita did nothing to help these people if that was supposed to be her purpose.  Carnival was big time wrong. Mom did her homework and everyone else passed the buck.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I completely agree with the first John.  The cruise people dragged their feet to avoid paying.  Anita did nothing to help these people if that was supposed to be her purpose.  Carnival was big time wrong. Mom did her homework and everyone else passed the buck.</p>
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